EAP builds questions

Hi,

There is a lot of confusion recently regarding the EAP builds and announcements.

Can JetBrains please clear for us a few issues:

1. How should we know when a new build is released?  http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/IDEADEV/Maia+EAP is outdated and so is the Announcement thread, here on the forums. Twitter also doesn't say anything about the latest build (90.193).

We need a way to know when a new build is released. Otherwise I suspect you will have fewer people updating to the latest build and thus fewer bug reports (or worse, more bug reports for bugs which are already fixed).

Also, manually checking a web page (like the Maia EAP page) is a pretty bad option. Something that supports RSS/Atom and has feeds only about the builds (so twitter is not an option, unless you create a IntelliJ_EAP_Announcements account) would be ideal.

2. I see the EAP builds are available at http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/nextversion/index.html. Is this going to continue like this? Will that be the authoritive source to get EAP builds from?

3. The EAP builds are available at http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/nextversion/index.html doesn't have the zip package (not even hidden, like you use to do for realeases). Some of us prefer the zip package because it's easier to update an exiting EAP installation and also because it's portable (portable programs rule!).

Thank you,

Cristian

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Hello Cristian,

There's a difference between EAP builds (released to the EAP community) and
milestone builds (released to jetbrains.com and the general user community).
EAP builds are published to the Maia+EAP page, and milestone builds are published
to jetbrains.com/idea/nextversion.

90.193 was a special case of a milestone build :) because it contained a
very limited amount of fixes for problems that specific users were experiencing.
There's no need to upgrade from 90.162 to 90.193 if you don't experience
any of the specific issues (that is, not using Flex or CVS).

In general, the easiest way to check for a new EAP build is Help | Check
for Updates... in IntelliJ IDEA.

There is a lot of confusion recently regarding the EAP builds and
announcements.

Can JetBrains please clear for us a few issues:

1. How should we know when a new build is released?
http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/IDEADEV/Maia+EAP is
outdated and so is the Announcement thread, here on the forums.
Twitter also doesn't say anything about the latest build (90.193).

We need a way to know when a new build is released. Otherwise I
suspect you will have fewer people updating to the latest build and
thus fewer bug reports (or worse, more bug reports for bugs which are
already fixed).

Also, manually checking a web page (like the Maia EAP page) is a
pretty bad option. Something that supports RSS/Atom and has feeds only
about the builds (so twitter is not an option, unless you create a
IntelliJ_EAP_Announcements account) would be ideal.

2. I see the EAP builds are available at
http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/nextversion/index.html. Is this going to
continue like this? Will that be the authoritive source to get EAP
builds from?

3. The EAP builds are available at
http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/nextversion/index.html doesn't have the
zip package (not even hidden, like you use to do for realeases). Some
of us prefer the zip package because it's easier to update an exiting
EAP installation and also because it's portable (portable programs
rule!).

Thank you,
Cristian
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DJ> In general, the easiest way to check for a new EAP build is Help |
DJ> Check for Updates... in IntelliJ IDEA.

My experience with this hasn't been too good. There are a few issues that
have put me off using it:


- The 'check for updates' often lags behind the release by quite a while
(days?). Many times I see a new EAP build has been released, but 'check for
updates' says there's nothing to update so I have to go off and manually
download/install it anyway.
- Often if there is an update, it can't be applied as a patch. The dialog
that is presented is a big vague. It doesn't explain the patch can't be applied,
just points you at the website and leaves you to download and install the
update on your own. Ideally it would say why the update can't be applied,
and provide a direct download to save/run instead.
- There's no option to allow 'check for updates' to install an EAP build
on top of a more stable release. This is a problem because anyone installing
each EAP build will also want to upgrade to stable releases when they come
out, but once you've moved to a stable release you will then have to manually
install the next EAP.
- I have 'check for updates' set to daily, but I don't ever remember it telling
me there's an update other than on startup (maybe I'm wrong about that?).
Since I often leave IDEA running for days on end, I seem to have to resort
to manually running 'check for update...' (which of course I never remember
to do).

If the above issues were addressed (maybe some have been already?) then I
think everyone would be happy.

Chris


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Looks like this still doesn't really work. I'm on IU-90.193, wasn't notified
of any updates automatically, and manually running "Check for updates" says
there's no updates. But I see (from a user post in jetbrains.intellij.eap)
that 92.24 is available. Sure enough I can see and download it from the EAP
webpage.

DJ>> In general, the easiest way to check for a new EAP build is Help |
DJ>> Check for Updates... in IntelliJ IDEA.
DJ>>
CM> My experience with this hasn't been too good. There are a few issues
CM> that have put me off using it:
CM>
CM> - The 'check for updates' often lags behind the release by quite a
CM> while
CM> (days?). Many times I see a new EAP build has been released, but
CM> 'check for
CM> updates' says there's nothing to update so I have to go off and
CM> manually
CM> download/install it anyway.
CM> - Often if there is an update, it can't be applied as a patch. The
CM> dialog
CM> that is presented is a big vague. It doesn't explain the patch can't
CM> be applied,
CM> just points you at the website and leaves you to download and
CM> install the
CM> update on your own. Ideally it would say why the update can't be
CM> applied,
CM> and provide a direct download to save/run instead.
CM> - There's no option to allow 'check for updates' to install an EAP
CM> build
CM> on top of a more stable release. This is a problem because anyone
CM> installing
CM> each EAP build will also want to upgrade to stable releases when
CM> they come
CM> out, but once you've moved to a stable release you will then have to
CM> manually
CM> install the next EAP.
CM> - I have 'check for updates' set to daily, but I don't ever remember
CM> it telling
CM> me there's an update other than on startup (maybe I'm wrong about
CM> that?).
CM> Since I often leave IDEA running for days on end, I seem to have to
CM> resort
CM> to manually running 'check for update...' (which of course I never
CM> remember
CM> to do).
CM> If the above issues were addressed (maybe some have been already?)
CM> then I think everyone would be happy.
CM>
CM> Chris
CM>


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