IntelliJ 8 only 2 weeks Away?

Hi guys,

I haven't checked the last release, but in the previous release, SVN support for MacOS was not working. At all. Now, I haven't checked the latest (the today) release, but I'm kinda surprised the 'stable' version is announced to be released in two weeks!

My question is: are all these problems fixed, including all the slowdowns people experience in the forums, or is IntelliJ 8 a 'sales release' version, and can we expect a stable release (8.0.1, 8.0.2) some weeks later?

Maybe it's good to make a list of 'must fix' bugs, so that IntelliJ 8 can shine, and reflect all the enormous hard work everybody at JetBrains put into it??

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I'd like to ask the same question but I know that it is not correct and almost sure that we can't get 'honest' answer.

btw, svn worked on my mac at least in 8940 and several earlier builds

ps reverted from 8975 to 8940 due to many already reported new bugs :(

Edited by: Ildar Karimov on Oct 30, 2008 2:08 AM

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Agreed. I'm still seeing a lot of exceptions during use of 8975 (coming from different components in IDEA). It most certainly is not release quality at the moment.

I'm concerned this is going to be another release early, fix later deal. If JetBrains think they can resolve most of these issues in 2 weeks then great and I look forward to it.

-brad

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My question is: are all these problems fixed, including all the slowdowns
people experience in the forums, or is IntelliJ 8 a 'sales release'
version, and can we expect a stable release (8.0.1, 8.0.2) some weeks
later?


Think about IDEA 7 and how long it took until it became stable. This
happened in months not weeks.

Tom

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Hello Erik,

I haven't checked the last release, but in the previous release, SVN
support for MacOS was not working. At all. Now, I haven't checked the
latest (the today) release, but I'm kinda surprised the 'stable'
version is announced to be released in two weeks!


I don't think we actually announced any specific release date to the public...

My question is: are all these problems fixed, including all the
slowdowns people experience in the forums, or is IntelliJ 8 a 'sales
release' version, and can we expect a stable release (8.0.1, 8.0.2)
some weeks later?


You're asking a very broad question. Of course it's hard to tell if we've
fixed "all these" problems and slowdowns ever reported.

As usual, there will be 8.0.x bugfix updates following the initial release.

Maybe it's good to make a list of 'must fix' bugs, so that IntelliJ 8
can shine, and reflect all the enormous hard work everybody at
JetBrains put into it??


As usual, feel free to remind us about specific issues that do not, in your
opinion, get due attention.

--
Dmitry Jemerov
Development Lead
JetBrains, Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com/
"Develop with Pleasure!"


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As usual, feel free to remind us about specific issues that do not, in
your opinion, get due attention.


The most important things should already be in your JIRA, otherwise people
would not take the time to report them.

Tom

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Hello Erik,

I haven't checked the last release, but in the previous release, SVN
support for MacOS was not working. At all. Now, I haven't checked the
latest (the today) release, but I'm kinda surprised the 'stable'
version is announced to be released in two weeks!


I don't think we actually announced any specific release date to the public...


Actually you did.... This is from an email sent yesterday... (from sales...):

"With the release of IntelliJ IDEA 8.0 just around the corner (less than 2 weeks left!), I've prepared ....."

So it's kind of specific....


BTJ

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I've received it too.

But as Jetbrains releases usually are way very good, I'll wait for an inadequate level of quality being released (official, not EAP) before whining :)

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I think we are at the point where adding new features doesn't make you much more productive, instead I would like to see an IDE that actually does things without exceptions and does those fast. Even on a cutting edge hardware I have a lot of frustration with Idea8 (e.g. re-parsing van maven poms, almost deadlock-like situations, where Idea freezes for like 1 minute, Also this "percieved performance", like lazy loading stuff is sometimes pita: again clicked something that needs few seconds to load, again some background thread, again focus loss, at least on linux..).

I mean, compared to Eclipse (or copy-cat Netbeans) even Idea6 wins feature wise. I haven't used Eclipse lately but if you read some blogs from Eclipse users who have tried IntelliJ, they are always negative about performance. But I am kinda used to it(and it seems all/most of Idea users) and I will complain from time to time..file a memory snapshot..what can you do?
Anyway, around 8.0.3 release Idea8 will be what we expect it to be at 8.0.

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I'd say a lot of people received that (myself included). I really was surprised when I read the 2 week time frame; I was expecting the 8.0 release in late December or early January based on the current progress.

The releases are usually good but as far as my memory serves me 7.0 and 6.0 weren't the most stable versions around. I'm a little worried that once again 8.0 will be the same.

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Hello Erik,

I haven't checked the last release, but in the previous release, SVN
support for MacOS was not working. At all. Now, I haven't checked the
latest (the today) release, but I'm kinda surprised the 'stable'
version is announced to be released in two weeks!


I don't think we actually announced any specific release date to the public...


Well, I also didn't specify a specific date, but only used the 2 week timeframe mentioned in the email.

My question is: are all these problems fixed, including all the
slowdowns people experience in the forums, or is IntelliJ 8 a 'sales
release' version, and can we expect a stable release (8.0.1, 8.0.2)
some weeks later?


You're asking a very broad question. Of course it's hard to tell if we've
fixed "all these" problems and slowdowns ever reported.


I know. That's why I suggested to make a topic (I mean, if you're really going to release in two weeks) to make a list of all the showstoppers. That the incoming changes view for SVN isn't working (for me) is really annoying, but it's also the case in IntelliJ 7, and I'm (okay, I'm not okay with it!)... I can live with it. But the problem I had with the 8xxx branch was that on my Mac, IntelliJ sometimes doesn't commit. That's unacceptable, and it stopped me from using the EAP's. When 8 is released, I'll try again, but this should be fixed. Reading the forums, I think there are some other issues which need to be fixed. Nice features a nice, but fix the core of the IDE. I don't care about Freemarker support (it's nice, don't get me wrong), but I'd rather have you fix the 'sort by type' functionality in custom scopes!

As usual, there will be 8.0.x bugfix updates following the initial release.


Ofcourse there are. But it would be great if IntelliJ 8 would be rock solid. (Rock solid, heart toching! (and don't use that slogan, it's already taken ;))

Maybe it's good to make a list of 'must fix' bugs, so that IntelliJ 8
can shine, and reflect all the enormous hard work everybody at
JetBrains put into it??


As usual, feel free to remind us about specific issues that do not, in your
opinion, get due attention.


Check. But I guess it would be nice to have a place with must fixes. I can ofcourse start a thread on the forum, but I don't know if you prefer (JIRA?) other alternatives to this.

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I agree with this. I'm used to this, but (certainly!) the first time IntelliJ starts, it takes minutes (or longer) to parse the JDK, the libraries, the project, etc. I made an issue here about it (http://jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEA-19091). When switching, it's not a good first impression, and even I (I'm using IntelliJ for the last 3 years now) am ofter bothered with it, especially when having a large project open, and forgetting to turn the 'load last project' switch in the options of.....But background parsing (of everything, starting with the parsing of Java/Javascript/Spring/etc files) would be a nice perceived performance increase!

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+1
I added comments. This is a fantastic ticket and one of the most valuable that I have seen in a long time.

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Eric --

I agree that SVN incoming changes view not working is a real pain. I see you
have voted for it too :)
http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEA-18867

Also -- I agree on creating a thread on the forums where people can list
their issues that they'd like to see resolved before 8.0 final. I know
JetBrains did the same before 7.0 final.

Re: SVN commits, I've seen some odd behavior with this on PC too. It's
usually when refactoring something under SVN control. I need to see if I can
find a specific series of steps to consistently reproduce some of the SVN
issues I've still been seeing.

Grant



"Erik Pragt" <no_reply@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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>>

>> Hello Erik,
>>
>> > I haven't checked the last release, but in the previous release, SVN
>> > support for MacOS was not working. At all. Now, I haven't checked the
>> > latest (the today) release, but I'm kinda surprised the 'stable'
>> > version is announced to be released in two weeks!
>>
>> I don't think we actually announced any specific release date to the
>> public...
>>
>

Well, I also didn't specify a specific date, but only used the 2 week
timeframe mentioned in the email.

>
>> > My question is: are all these problems fixed, including all the
>> > slowdowns people experience in the forums, or is IntelliJ 8 a 'sales
>> > release' version, and can we expect a stable release (8.0.1, 8.0.2)
>> > some weeks later?
>>
>> You're asking a very broad question. Of course it's hard to tell if we've
>> fixed "all these" problems and slowdowns ever reported.
>

I know. That's why I suggested to make a topic (I mean, if you're really
going to release in two weeks) to make a list of all the showstoppers.
That the incoming changes view for SVN isn't working (for me) is really
annoying, but it's also the case in IntelliJ 7, and I'm (okay, I'm not
okay with it!)... I can live with it. But the problem I had with the 8xxx
branch was that on my Mac, IntelliJ sometimes doesn't commit. That's
unacceptable, and it stopped me from using the EAP's. When 8 is released,
I'll try again, but this should be fixed. Reading the forums, I think
there are some other issues which need to be fixed. Nice features a nice,
but fix the core of the IDE. I don't care about Freemarker support (it's
nice, don't get me wrong), but I'd rather have you fix the 'sort by type'
functionality in custom scopes!

>
>> As usual, there will be 8.0.x bugfix updates following the initial
>> release.
>

Ofcourse there are. But it would be great if IntelliJ 8 would be rock
solid. (Rock solid, heart toching! (and don't use that slogan, it's
already taken ;))

>
>> > Maybe it's good to make a list of 'must fix' bugs, so that IntelliJ 8
>> > can shine, and reflect all the enormous hard work everybody at
>> > JetBrains put into it??
>>
>> As usual, feel free to remind us about specific issues that do not, in
>> your
>> opinion, get due attention.
>>
>

Check. But I guess it would be nice to have a place with must fixes. I can
ofcourse start a thread on the forum, but I don't know if you prefer
(JIRA?) other alternatives to this.


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