debug layout

No, it's not possible. But believe me, after learning how to control panels (maximize, hide, etc.) and some weeks of experience you won't the old layout back.

In article <20172258.1192830486871.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net>,
mf@fuhrer.com says...

No, it's not possible. But believe me, after learning how to control panels (maximize, hide, etc.) and some weeks of experience you won't the old layout back.

Nope. I've been using the new layout since Sept and would love to see
the old layout again. The new layout, for example, forces you to have
the frame window open just to use the debug controls.

This sucks. At least those buttons should be omnipresent. And the
keyboard is a poor substitute for the mouse in this instance.
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Well, I don't say that the new layout is perfect already, but IMHO it's a big improvement over the old one. You're right that those buttons shouldn't be part of the frames panel, they're simply not related in any way. And yes, keyboard support should be greatly improved. Let's start by voting here: http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEA-12355

I don't think, it is a major improvement, because it wastes a lot of space.
It might help when you have a real big screen, because you can see all panes
at one glance, but for normal screen sizes (1280x1024) it's a pain.

Tom

At resolution 1920x1200 I still prefer old layout.

It's better, but not perfect yet.
1. It doesn't remember your preferred layout. Very aggravating.
2. It would be great to move some of the sub panels onto other sides of the editor. My debug tool panel is at the bottom, which is where I prefer the console , but it would be nice to have the threads and variables view on the side of the screen.

I've been a long time advocate of idea over eclipse at my workplace, but the flexibility to rearrange the screen layout has always been one feature of eclipse I miss. I'm not really a fan of the "perspectives" though. That took a good thing (very flexible layouts) and over-complicated it.

I don't think, it is a major improvement, because it wastes a lot of
space. It might help when you have a real big screen, because you can
see all panes at one glance, but for normal screen sizes (1280x1024)
it's a pain.

I can second that.
If I use watches I have to scroll left/right constantly, or I make the
view that big that either the frames-view or the variable-view needs to
be scrolled.
In the end, I have to scroll always.

It would be nice if we could configure this thing in a way that we can
define if something should be a tab or embedded in the page.

Or even better:
Allow to have multiple debugger view configurations reachable through tabs.
Means, you can configure for example the frames-view and the
variable-view side by side, another tab has configured frames-view and
watches-view side by side. Yet another has variable-view and
watches-view side by side.
You simply switch by choosing a tab.

Ciao,
Mario

On 2007-10-21 09:40:33 +0400, Russell Egan <no_reply@jetbrains.com> said:

It's better, but not perfect yet.
1. It doesn't remember your preferred layout. Very aggravating.
2. It would be great to move some of the sub panels onto other sides of
the editor. My debug tool panel is at the bottom, which is where I
prefer the console , but it would be nice to have the threads and
variables view on the side of the screen.

I've been a long time advocate of idea over eclipse at my workplace,
but the flexibility to rearrange the screen layout has always been one
feature of eclipse I miss. I'm not really a fan of the "perspectives"
though. That took a good thing (very flexible layouts) and
over-complicated it.

1. It's not how it's intended to be. Debug layout should be restored as
you leave it when you close your debug session. If it's not the case
with you please file a jire request with specific steps that you take
just before you see the layout is not restored.

2. You can d'n'd debug views (such as Frames, Variables, Console) out
of the the debug window. It's also should be restored for next debug
session.
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On 2007-10-20 11:46:26 +0400, Tom <noname@jetbrains.com> said:

I don't think, it is a major improvement, because it wastes a lot of
space. It might help when you have a real big screen, because you can
see all panes at one glance, but for normal screen sizes (1280x1024)
it's a pain.

Tom

You can kind of mimic the old layout with the new one. Double click the
Console view. It gets maximized. Then close it with mouse middle
button. Now, when you click the Console button the view will be
restored maximized. Just do the same for all views you want to see
maximized.

Such things are not very discoverable, will will make it better soon.


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On 2007-10-22 09:57:05 +0400, Mario Ivankovits <mario@ops.co.at> said:

>> I don't think, it is a major improvement, because it wastes a lot of
>> space. It might help when you have a real big screen, because you can
>> see all panes at one glance, but for normal screen sizes (1280x1024)
>> it's a pain.

I can second that.
If I use watches I have to scroll left/right constantly, or I make the
view that big that either the frames-view or the variable-view needs to
be scrolled.
In the end, I have to scroll always.

It would be nice if we could configure this thing in a way that we can
define if something should be a tab or embedded in the page.

Or even better:
Allow to have multiple debugger view configurations reachable through tabs.
Means, you can configure for example the frames-view and the
variable-view side by side, another tab has configured frames-view and
watches-view side by side. Yet another has variable-view and
watches-view side by side.
You simply switch by choosing a tab.

Ciao,
Mario

Perspectives for debugger?

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After playing with the new layout I can get it close to how I used to use it. I typically focus on the variables tab of the debugger. So I click on ctl-alt-backspace, for the other tabs, and the collapse to the bottom.

However, there is a very serious issue, the debugger step commands are tied to the frame tab. So I need to restore it, and make it a tiny sliver, so that i can use the commands while watching my variables.

If the debugger step commands were decoupled from the frame tab the new layout would be fine.

If the debugger step commands were decoupled from the
frame tab the new layout would be fine.

+1

I found this JIRA (http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEADEV-20196) on that subject. I would recommend you add your vote to it.

Voted.

Thanks for pointing me to the jira issue.

Hi!

>> Allow to have multiple debugger view configurations reachable through
>> tabs.
>> Means, you can configure for example the frames-view and the
>> variable-view side by side, another tab has configured frames-view and
>> watches-view side by side. Yet another has variable-view and
>> watches-view side by side.
>> You simply switch by choosing a tab.

Perspectives for debugger?

Yep, sounds like a good title for such a feature.

Ciao,
Mario

If you would like the option to use the debug window layout as it was in IDEA 6, "classic view" as some call it, please vote on this jira issue : http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEADEV-23089.

I think there are plenty of people who were unhappy with the tabbed layout, but there were also plenty of people who where happy with the tabbed layout. Please give us the option to choose whichever one we prefer

If you would like the option to use the debug
window layout as it was in IDEA 6, "classic view" as
some call it, please vote on this jira issue :
http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEADEV-23089.

BTW, this JIRA is marked as "Fixed in build 7624"; therefore I would have expected it to be part of the current 7.0.3 EAP build (7626). Is it or is it not?
And if it is, how is it enabled?

Regards,
Jens

BTW, this JIRA is marked as "Fixed in build 7624";
therefore I would have expected it to be part of the
current 7.0.3 EAP build (7626). Is it or is it not?

It appears to be scheduled as "Fix Version/s: Diana Final" which means IntelliJ IDEA 8.0.

Hello Jens,

>> If you would like the option to use the debug window layout as
>> it was in IDEA 6, "classic view" as some call it, please vote on this
>> jira issue : http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEADEV-23089.
>>

BTW, this JIRA is marked as "Fixed in build 7624"; therefore I would
have expected it to be part of the current 7.0.3 EAP build (7626). Is
it or is it not?

And if it is, how is it enabled?

Actually the new debugger layout is planned to be included in 7.0.3, but
it hasn't yet been backported from the Diana branch.

As usual, don't trust the "Fixed in build" field - it's not set correctly
when multiple branches are involved.

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