Configuring IDETalk

Forgive me if this was already posted. I did look, but didn't see this on the forum.

Can you log out of IDETalk? Or mark yourself as offline? It actually seems to log how long it's been since you've hit a keystroke ( i.e. wsmith (offline 18min) ) or something similar. That sounds more like 'Big Brother' than collaboration. Can any of these things be configured??

Paranoid minds want to know...

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Chris Hampton wrote:

Forgive me if this was already posted. I did look, but didn't see this on the forum.

Can you log out of IDETalk? Or mark yourself as offline? It actually seems to log how long it's been since you've hit a keystroke ( i.e. wsmith (offline 18min) ) or something similar. That sounds more like 'Big Brother' than collaboration. Can any of these things be configured??

Paranoid minds want to know...


You can simply remove IDEtalk plugin from IDEA_HOME/plugins/ directory.
If you really need a way to completely disable IDEtalk - please file a Jira request.

Regards,
KIR


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I wasn't really looking for a way to disable the whole thing. I just don't necessarily think it needs to report "20 minutes offline". This could be construed as being a "time watchdog" at that point and not a team collaboration tool. I think saying so and so is "offline" without a time is adequate. Knowing that they've been offline for a half hour doesn't aid me in any way.

If the plugin is an "all or nothing" deal, then I won't be using it. Which is sad because I think it could be helpful.

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Chris Hampton wrote:

I wasn't really looking for a way to disable the whole thing. I just don't necessarily think it needs to report "20 minutes offline". This could be construed as being a "time watchdog" at that point and not a team collaboration tool. I think saying so and so is "offline" without a time is adequate. Knowing that they've been offline for a half hour doesn't aid me in any way.


In fact the intention was to give a clue how fast your teammate will respond. Any IM provide
statuses like Away, N/A etc. What is your vision of similar functionality in IDEtalk?

Kind regards,
KIR

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I normally don't use chat software, so I will admit I am unfamiliar with their functionality. I still fail to see how the time tells you how fast you will get a response unless you have some notion of how long your team mate will be gone. "back in 10 minutes" is a lot more helpful then "been gone 10 minutes".

I just think the status should be "offline" or "online". That's all you need to let you know a response will not be immediate. Or even maybe allow to show a custom offline message. That way you could say "back in 10 minutes".

FYI: Don't let all the complaining about this one issue fool you. I think IDEA is still a kick butt IDE. :)

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I agree that there should at least be an option NOT to show this. I'm not into chat programs so this may be standard procedure, but having it at work poses a privacy issue. I don't want people watching that number and drawing false conclusions about my work habits.

You're going to think is exteremely paranoid, but privacy concerns me greatly because I know how others perceive people.

Basically, I don't want people to try to use that number as a metric for my productivity.

I haven't had the time to figure out if Idea is just watching the activity within Idea or the activity on the entire machine, but if its only watching Idea activity, I don't want ignorant co-workers assuming that means I'm not working because I haven't been working in Idea (I use other apps in my job). If it monitors the entire machine, I don't want people thinking that someone who's playing a game during work is more productive than me because I'm in a meeting and haven't been on my machine.
Paranoid yes. But the more my activities become documented electronically, the more likely someone can misuse that information.
And hey, we're only asking for a way NOT to report this number.

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Chris Hampton wrote:

I normally don't use chat software, so I will admit I am unfamiliar with their functionality. I still fail to see how the time tells you how fast you will get a response unless you have some notion of how long your team mate will be gone. "back in 10 minutes" is a lot more helpful then "been gone 10 minutes".


Personally, I never use away messages. And I know nobody in my team who does.
And I see now way to predict future that user will return in 10 min :)
OTOH, I won't expect someone to answer me quickly if s/he is away for 30min or 5hours.


I just think the status should be "offline" or "online". That's all you need to let you know a response will not be immediate. Or even maybe allow to show a custom offline message. That way you could say "back in 10 minutes".


How user becomes offline? IDEA is running all the time, so it can accept messages.
Or you think user should explicitly mark himself offline when he goes home/lunch?

KIR

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How does it determine you are offline now? It can use the same mechanism. My only gripe is that it currently shows how long you have been offline. It doesn't need to. It adds no value and could be abused by certain people as an adhoc time tracking mechanism.

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The solution to this is easy... make the time taken until a user is
reported offline be configurable by the user (as it is in every other IM
program) and remove the display of how long the user has been offline
from the view.

N.

Chris Hampton wrote:

How does it determine you are offline now? It can use the same mechanism. My only gripe is that it currently shows how long you have been offline. It doesn't need to. It adds no value and could be abused by certain people as an adhoc time tracking mechanism.

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Yup. That's pretty much what I'm talking about. Thanks for the clarification Nathan.

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Yep. That's my point too. Just make it an option to not report the offline time to other users. Done.

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Kirill, hi.

I already posted this question early, but there is still no answer:
Is any way to configure proxy settings in IDETalk? Because on our work (and at home too) all connections permitted only through proxy.
And where can I read errors code description or all errors are standard http errors?


And about topic of discussion:
You can simply disconnect IDETalk, so your status will be offline - as in any other IM. I think this is quite enough for solving discussed problem.

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If there is a way to connect/disconnect. I can't find it. Are you talking about a 'Jabber' account? Because I'm not using one. As far as I can tell IDETalk is finding other users on the local network and adding them to group named the same as the project name.

As I said before, I don't want to totally disable the plugin, as I think it is useful. But manually connecting/disconnecting is a poor solution because you have to remember to disconnect when you leave and connect when you come back. The purpose of a tool is to make our lives easier, so instead of an adhoc work around, why not just have a setting for it and let the tool do the work?

BTW: I think it's rude to come into a thread to ask a totally different question and at the same time try to dismiss the topic at hand. If your own question wasn't answered, post it again (in it's own thread) until you get an answer.

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Nathan Brown wrote:

The solution to this is easy... make the time taken until a user is
reported offline be configurable by the user (as it is in every other IM
program) and remove the display of how long the user has been offline
from the view.


I've implemented this, will be available in the next Demetra EAP.
Thanks!

KIR


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Awesome! Thank you. :)

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