intellij officially bloatware now

Does anyone even remember when intellij was fast?  It was a long time ago, but it sure was a glorious.  I use to brag about intellij.  I would smugly make fun of my friends for using eclipse or netbeans.  Well I am not laughing anymore.  This thing is a dog.

Sure intellij is great for small projects but it has become utterly useless for large projects.  It is the definition of feature bloat.  It crashes.  It is slow.  The great functionality that I once cherished is no longer usable because it is too slow.  The feature set is immense, but that doesn't help when it is unusable.

Please jetbrains get it together and clean up this bloated product!

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Please submit CPU snapshots as described in http://devnet.jetbrains.net/docs/DOC-192

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It would be interesting to compare with older versions. Maybe Jetbrains
could offer older versions, e.g. IDEA 6 or 7, for free?

Tom

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Hello Tom,

Older versions are still available for download and accept license keys of
newer versions, so you're welcome to compare them yourself. Given the availability
of Community Edition, we don't see any value in re-releasing older versions
of IntelliJ IDEA for free.

It would be interesting to compare with older versions. Maybe
Jetbrains could offer older versions, e.g. IDEA 6 or 7, for free?


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Dmitry Jemerov
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Unfortunately the older versions don't work with newer jvms.


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I have done this before, you guys never fix performance bugs, just add features.

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This is false. If you think that making false statements like this will help improve the product, I would like to let you know that it is not the case.

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Come on, really - IDEA 9 was somewhat slow, IDEA 10 was much better and 11 is really fast for me.
Obviously JetBrains is working a lot on performance. Also, obviously everybody has different use cases.

That said: It often helps to voice friendly reminders here in the forum and start a discussion about your more pressing issues.

On 09.02.2012 23:07, Ryan W wrote:

I have done this before, you guys never fix performance bugs, just add features.

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Ever since I got this new i7-2600, 16Gb, keeping indexes on a fast raid , idea starts in a matter of seconds -- less than 10 seconds for sure. I usually keep open at least two idea instances, projects are moderate to huge (multiple maven modules, if I look at mvn external dependecies they number with hundreds in external libraries section). at all times, all editor/compiling tasks are quick

i'm also runnning fedora 14.

hth,
john

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Unfortunately I am stuck doing a lot of development in windows 7.  But I do have 16gb of memory and ssd drives.  Still dogness.  Of course I am working on a very large project.

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Right..I have w7 at home, a bit slower i7, but same ssd, 12gb ram, idea is sensibly slower on that setup..I would have also recommended trimming idea's vm.options (there are lots of threads on stackoverflow and other sites) save that, for me it never really worked. until the hardware change, that is.

on another note, you hear other dudes claiming that having 48 Gb of ram is better than 24Gb even though Xmx is 2Gb...:)

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hard to understand what you're talking about without your quantifying things in some way.XP 16 G of RAM,  NON-ssd drives very large project- idea community source and I would say things are faster from the  days of 6.0 etc.... one thing Intellij is NOT is slow in my experience.

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The project hasn't changed, my computer has gotten faster, intellij has gotten slower.  These days if I press Alt-Ins I have to wait 2 minutes before anything appears.

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I think perhaps it's something in your config or machine. If that was universal then I'd be experiecing soething like it to, but my experience is just the opposite.


You own an SSD. You know these disks have terrible R/W properties once they start to get full. Could that be it?

I don't  think I can help you except to say that intellij has only gotten noticably faster with each release for me on the same machine ad our machines appear to be at least passably  similar. .

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I have to agree with the rest of the folks that are pointing out you may be a one-off case, certainly not typical
You'll have to explain more about how "large" of a project you're working on.

Running IDEA 10.5 on either mac or windows has been very fast (mac faster it seems), and definitely faster that eclipse.

It's cool to vent, but don't expect any thing positive to happen. Explain your use case better otherwise most will consider this a "trolling" thread.....

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I have a 5000+ class enterprise level project.  I am experimenting now with the 64 bit version, but the 32 bit version with maximum memory is a dog for me.  Basic features fail to function.  For instance, navigation features like clicking on the little green down arrow for an interface fail to even appear until a class has been open for many minutes.  The auto generate constructors function simply hangs when I invoke it.  Out of memory errors frequently occur in debug mode.  Debug mode hangs frequently.  If I run my server side using tomcat through intellij it is almost impossible to even use debug mode.

I have reported these bugs in the past, nothing ever gets fixed.  Maybe I am venting, but I am no troll.  I am frankly surprised that others aren't having similar experiences.  I have been using intellij since intellij 3.  My first experiences with it were simply amazing and life changing(for a code monkey).  Every year I see new features added and it has slowly slowed down even when I throw more hardware at it and disable many of the plugins.

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I agree... that UX doesn't sounds very fun.

I don't think your experience with IDEA is very common. In some of the open-source projects I work with, I see easily 5K+ classes and IDEA functions just fine for me, and I would say by no means do I have outstanding hardware.

I know (at least where I am) the IT staff of the company tends to load a lot of crap that runs in the background.... im not saying that's the case, but maybe the JetBrains folks would be willing to work with you to analyze your resource usage and troubleshoot why you're getting such poor performance.

Do you have another computer you can try with, either a non-company computer, or one with a different operating system? To at least see whether it's truly the size of your project that has IDEA bogged down, or possibly something else?

Good luck....

Christian

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I have tried on many different systems and get the same result.  My co-developers experience the same problems.   I have submitted bug reports in the past to no avail.

Nevertheless, thanks for the feedback.

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Please let me know what your YouTrack username is, and I'll review the bug reports you've submitted.

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Christian & Ryan,

It isn't necessarily either Ryan's experience or the majority
experience. I'm in both camps as far as my subjective performance
experience goes on the same machine, same project. In many ways IntelliJ
has become faster into versions 10 and 11, but I do get ponderous
slowdowns and unresponsiveness here and there that anything I have
experienced since the IntelliJ early days. Overall faster but some ugly
to very ugly potholes. The performance is less consistent for me than in
the past even though the overall is faster when you aren't hitting a
pothole. I've not taken the time or watched for a pattern yet to begin
to capture.

Ryan -
Since you have consistent performance issues, it would help many
IntelliJ users, not only on your team, if you could get some current
snapshots on 11 or even better 11.1. I'll keep an eye open to do the
same myself.

Cheers,
Jon



On 2/10/2012 2:58 AM, Christian Posta wrote:

I have to agree with the rest of the folks that are pointing out you may be a one-off case, certainly not typical
You'll have to explain more about how "large" of a project you're working on.

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Running IDEA 10.5 on either mac or windows has been very fast (mac faster it seems), and definitely faster that eclipse.

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It's cool to vent, but don't expect any thing positive to happen. Explain your use case better otherwise most will consider this a "trolling" thread.....

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Jon,

Thanks for the info. I guess my comments were more related to Ryan's initial venting about possibly an extreme case. What you describe doesn't seem like what Ryan is experiencing, although you both mention the performance of the earlier versions. I guess the more we chime in with info, both good or bad, the more JetBrains gets feedback from their community and can help out.

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