IDEA power

Very often last days I read many post in variosu blogs on well known IDEA features just appeared in other IDEs. And almost all authors even not mentioned that this feature from IDEA and so on. I think you need advertise IDEA features more aggresively to show where they from and where to go to get latest cutting edge features.

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Magic Multiline Code Templates in NetBeans IDE 5.0
http://www.javablogs.com/Jump.action?id=241134
LiveTemplates in IDEA

Use Access Rules to Enforce API Engagement Rules
http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t53736.html
(I'm not sure who was first but it related to dependencies and rules, not well known IDEA feature)

About user(well known books author) who find out rename variable refactoring only in VS
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kirillcool/archive/2005/10/totally_splendi.html

I think next thing to steal from IDEA will be Structural Search and many others...

Please find the WatchDog :)

TIA,
Dmitry

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Hello Dmitry,

DK> Things even worse
DK>
DK> Contest: Hmm, that looks familiar
DK> http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t45209.html

Who needs patents right?

R


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Hello Robert,

I'm talking about popularization, not patents...

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Hello Dmitry,

DK> Hello Robert,
DK>
DK> I'm talking about popularization, not patents...

Yeah I know, but I also think that the argument that companies should not
pattent some new inventions is silly, because it makes it a lot harder to
keep and edge and be unique, so unfortunately you end up with copy cats and
people who simply say "But Netbeans does it and it's free why should I pay
for xyz".

jmho, not trying to start a flame war or anything.

R


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Robert

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.. the argument that companies should not pattent some new inventions
is silly, because it makes it a lot harder to keep and edge and be
unique,..






It wouldn't feel right/be easy for to patent implementations
of their clients' features requests.


Alain

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Everyone knows the specs for exactly what a Star Trek transporter device does. It would be no trouble for me to submit a JIRA request for adding transporter technology to IDEA. If JetBrains could successfull add transporter technology to IDEA, they would be idiots not to patent it. At most, I would deserve a thank you and a license.

Specs and ideas are valuable, but implementations are what deserves patent protections.

The problem with trying to patent a lot of what IDEA would seem to be more a matter of prior art than anything else. A lot of the innovations of IDEA were done previously in academic contexts. They were just done with horrible usability, and for niche languages which made no business sense (c.f. Lisp, Smalltalk). JetBrains real innovation is actually making a bunch of old ideas usable and finding a growing niche where money could actually be made.

--Dave Griffith

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In article <8057221c31a2c8c7b1ad3d289426@news.jetbrains.com>,
Robert Sfeir <nomail@jetbrains.com> wrote:

Hello Dmitry,

DK> Hello Robert,
DK>
DK> I'm talking about popularization, not patents...

Yeah I know, but I also think that the argument that companies should not
pattent some new inventions is silly, because it makes it a lot harder to
keep and edge and be unique, so unfortunately you end up with copy cats and
people who simply say "But Netbeans does it and it's free why should I pay
for xyz".


On the other hand, software patents lead very quickly to nonsense like
one click ordering, or the Apple menu being patented. A trademark or
copyright, depending, can be argued, but claiming virtually anything in
software as patentable makes me kinda mad.

Of course, I work in the biotech world, where up until a few years back,
a billion dollars of research might get you one patent on the final
drug. Now, my industry has started patenting random chunks of sequence,
in hopes that they might someday be useful.

It has been my experience that patents do not really keep you ahead.
They stifle a certain kind of competition (both good and bad), and make
it cheaper to buy a company than to copy what it has done.
Unfortunately, that usually results in everything but the one patented
technology being killed forever. (Lighthouse Designs by Sun,
Togethersoft by Borland, OptimizeIt by Borland, and so on.)

A company will stay ahead by creating a better UI, producing better
code, and making the user's life easier. Others who copy rarely do that
well at copying the entire experience.

For example, Eclipse currently does not have a multi window mode, and
neither does JB. Were they to offer one, I would use whichever did in a
heartbeat. You may have a different killer feature, like JSP editing
that is fast and reliable. Whichever vendor offers that in a convenient
form gets our business.

Scott

--
Scott Ellsworth
scott@alodar.nospam.com
Java and database consulting for the life sciences

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Very often last days I read many post in variosu blogs on well known IDEA features
just appeared in other IDEs. And almost all authors even not mentioned that this
feature from IDEA and so on. I think you need advertise IDEA features more
aggresively to show where they from and where to go to get latest cutting edge features.

I think that a few screenshots with the one or the other 'feature' in action(side by side
screenshot) would be more suggesting (and just very little text).
Even more, if the 'appearance' date is displayed(or build number), everybody knows who was the first
:) (oh yeah - and with how many years :) ).

E.g. The Settings Dialog:
- in IntelliJ the 'classic' view == Netbeans5 the 'modern' view :).
(this is especially evident if one has an older version of IDEA around - just very funny)

Ahmed.

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I tried looking through Eclipse new & noteworthy and looking for introduction of
equivalent features in IDEA, but unfortunately IDEA changelogs weren't always
available for each build or release, and sometimes the features were not listed
in any changelog (maybe because they were too small to mention).

Ahmed Mohombe wrote:
>> Very often last days I read many post in variosu blogs on well known
>> IDEA features just appeared in other IDEs. And almost all authors even
>> not mentioned that this feature from IDEA and so on. I think you need
>> advertise IDEA features more aggresively to show where they from and
>> where to go to get latest cutting edge features.


I think that a few screenshots with the one or the other 'feature' in
action(side by side screenshot) would be more suggesting (and just very
little text).
Even more, if the 'appearance' date is displayed(or build number),
everybody knows who was the first :) (oh yeah - and with how many years
:) ).

E.g. The Settings Dialog:
- in IntelliJ the 'classic' view == Netbeans5 the 'modern' view :).
(this is especially evident if one has an older version of IDEA around -
just very funny)

Ahmed.

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