intellij lite

i was wondering if there will be plans to make an "lite" version of intellij.. or even making more core features into plugins. this way, we have the choice of turning them off to save system resources.

thanks

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Can you somehow describe this "lite" version in terms of feature packaging?

Best regards,

Eugene Belyaev
President, CTO
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com

"Develop with pleasure!"

i was wondering if there will be plans to make an "lite" version of
intellij.. or even making more core features into plugins. this way,
we have the choice of turning them off to save system resources.

thanks




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In article <unit-065135408632434155730904642@news.intellij.net>,
Eugene Belyaev <beg@jetbrains.com> wrote:

Can you somehow describe this "lite" version in terms of feature packaging?


Since you asked, although not me, I want to take the opportunity to butt
in and say to me that would mean:

If Free:
Editor
Code completion
Debugger

If a little more money than free but not full blown:
Refactoring

Then full rev.

R

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+1.

I think these are good ideas to attract pple to IDEA. Most developers are developing withOUT pleasure and they are not aware of it. First u need to let them know what is "pleasure" :)

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How exactly would that attract any kind of people Jetbrains would want attracted? If you want to sell licenses so that you can continue putting out an excellent product, how is giving parts of it away for free going to help that? That only leeds to a huge hang-around crowd that sticks to the free variation.

Suppose that would move a few ahats away from Eclipse though. :)

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Since you asked, although not me, I want to take the opportunity to
butt in and say to me that would mean:

If Free:
Editor
Code completion
Debugger
If a little more money than free but not full blown: Refactoring

IMHO, this would be a bad move, for JetBrains and for us who use IDEA:
Eclipse is growing very fast. If you strip out features from Idea than the
difference between the two will be even smaller, so people will have even
less reasons to change the IDE.
What's worst: a lot of people will compare only the "lite" version in reviews.
The same thing is happening with IBM's WSAD (Eclipse with IBMs nice commercial
plug-ins). People always compare JBuilder and Idea with Eclipse, and not
with WSAD. Well, that's bad for IBM, but they are a HUGE company, so the
IDE business it's not that vital like for JetBrains.
The same thing will happen with IDEA if they make a "lite" version, but AFAIK
for JetBrains the IDE business is vital.

Ahmed.

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I think IDEA needs mindshare right now. Many people don't realize how much
Eclipse sucks for most things; I think people think Eclipse was developed
by gods and nothing could be better.

-Keith

How exactly would that attract any kind of people Jetbrains would want
attracted? If you want to sell licenses so that you can continue
putting out an excellent product, how is giving parts of it away for
free going to help that? That only leeds to a huge hang-around crowd
that sticks to the free variation.

Suppose that would move a few ahats away from Eclipse though. :)




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IMHO, this would be a bad move, for JetBrains and for us who use IDEA:
Eclipse is growing very fast. If you strip out features from Idea than
the
difference between the two will be even smaller, so people will have
even
less reasons to change the IDE.
What's worst: a lot of people will compare only the "lite" version in
reviews.
The same thing is happening with IBM's WSAD (Eclipse with IBMs nice
commercial
plug-ins). People always compare JBuilder and Idea with Eclipse, and
not
with WSAD. Well, that's bad for IBM, but they are a HUGE company, so
the
IDE business it's not that vital like for JetBrains.
The same thing will happen with IDEA if they make a "lite" version,
but AFAIK
for JetBrains the IDE business is vital.
Ahmed.


I think if there were a free version, it would have to be better than Eclipse
in almost every way, which would mean adding almost every feature to the
free version. This is because Eclipse and IDEA offer similar features, but
IDEA implements them better, more intuitively, more efficiently. JetBrains
couldn't just release a free version with fewer of IDEA's components, because
IDEA doesn't have too many components that Eclipse doesn't have. It's the
quality of the components (keybindings, refactorings, intentions) that makes
IDEA so cool.

I think that if JetBrains could come up with a way to release a free version,
it would be very good for IDEA mindshare, but it would be hard to do it right,
and maybe impossible.


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Hello Eugene,

EB> Can you somehow describe this "lite" version in terms of feature
EB> packaging?

Commander -> Plugin
External tools -> Plugin
TODO -> Plugin
Ant -> Plugin
GUI Designer -> Plugin
Resource Links -> Plugin

And also (as JTogether) is it planned for run modes J2EE Developer/Web Developer/Swing
Developer/J2ME Developer? Each of them is just set of activated plugins.

Thanks!
--
Alexey Efimov, Java Developer
Tops BI
http://www.topsbi.ru

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In article <151680632435020456372992@news.jetbrains.com>,
Keith Lea <keith@cs.oswego.edu> wrote:

I think IDEA needs mindshare right now. Many people don't realize how much
Eclipse sucks for most things; I think people think Eclipse was developed
by gods and nothing could be better.


That's because compared the netbeans, it is :)

That said, it's not matching eclipse one for one, you'd never use
everything in eclipse just like you'd never use everything in idea. The
trick is to put enough of the major things people use, and let them play
and drool and get them to buy a little more to get refactoring. For
example you'd pay $99.00 for the Refactoring version, $99.00 would be
less than you'd spend if you bought a bunch of quality eclipse plugins.

Mindshare is not necessarily a good thing... you end up with a support
nightmare and a bunch of nut jobs on EAP (although it's too late to save
that one :) )

R

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