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Alex Roytman wrote:

Do not think it is a good IDEA right before the release. Anyway you can use Ant version whatever you want.

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Personally I'd rather no release of Ant was bundled with IDEA 4.5 at all. If I want Ant I'll download it myself and the new ANT_HOME style integration in IDEA 4.5 will let me use it just fine from wherever I want.

No point in adding more bloat to the IDEA download when it's easily downloadable free over the net and easily configurable in the new version of IDEA.

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80% of us are going to download 1.6.2 anyway...why not just bundle it. If
configuring it is such a breeze with 4.5, there should'nt be a risk..worst
case, u have a bug to fix :D

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:03:46 +0400, Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains)
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Alex Roytman wrote:

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Do not think it is a good IDEA right before the release. Anyway you can
use Ant version whatever you want.

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Of course there's a risk. There's always a risk implementing any new thing into a product that's just about to go live, these things need R&D.

Also it's a little presumptious to assume 80% of users will want Ant 1.6.2, some might want a different version (for example if they are required to maintain Java 1.1 compatibility). Thus why I'm all for removing Ant from the download altogether.

IDEA 4.5 supports integration of ANY version of Ant through ANT_HOME style pathing... so just let the user choose which one they want to download from the Ant website and don't force everybody else to download it as part of the build, there is absolutly no point.

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Rob Bradley wrote:

Of course there's a risk. There's always a risk implementing any new thing into a product that's just about to go live, these things need R&D.

Also it's a little presumptious to assume 80% of users will want Ant 1.6.2, some might want a different version (for example if they are required to maintain Java 1.1 compatibility). Thus why I'm all for removing Ant from the download altogether.

IDEA 4.5 supports integration of ANY version of Ant through ANT_HOME style pathing... so just let the user choose which one they want to download from the Ant website and don't force everybody else to download it as part of the build, there is absolutly no point.


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Face it..4.5 is "going live" from end of June. Besides, if integration of
ANT is a product feature, what better way to demostrate than to show that
it works with the latest and the greatest. I understand u'r R&D
concerns...but it will be a heads up to the community if 4.5 is NOT going
to work with 6.2..would'nt it? Or it it did, then hey I've a complete dev
envrionment to roll with (which is BTW I guess we pay for th
product?)..instead of spending more time to come up with "ways to make
IDEA work with me" :D

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:19:08 +0400 (MSD), Rob Bradley
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I wouldn't do that.

Just like we have the default JSDK that JI comes with but we choose others
as we see fit, the same model is used with ANT now.

Moreover, ANT is at such a maturity level that for non cutting edge code
building, the slightly older release is just fine.

Amnon

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Personally I'd rather no release of Ant was bundled with IDEA 4.5 at all.

If I want Ant I'll download it myself and the new ANT_HOME style integration
in IDEA 4.5 will let me use it just fine from wherever I want.
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No point in adding more bloat to the IDEA download when it's easily

downloadable free over the net and easily configurable in the new version of
IDEA.


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You are assuming I think IDEA should come with it's own JRE/JSDK... :)

I do agree about the Ant support being mature enough, and I am an Ant user myself, I'd just rather not see it bundled with IDEA because since I always have the latest copy of the Ant bin on my system anyhow I see very little point in having a 2nd copy with IDEA.

Moreover any serious Ant user will have Ant whether they have IDEA or not so what is the point in bulking up the download with the Ant distribution?? Seems to me like an increase in download size for no reason... unless you are telling me that some IDEA users are just so darn lazy they can't be bothered to download a separate file for Ant allowing for a smaller IDEA download?? ;)

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At the risk of talking to myself... ;)

Obviously I do realize that in the past the situation was considerably different as it was not as easy to get your own Ant builds working on IDEA.

I think the fact that IDEA 4.5 supports external implementations of Ant via ANT_HOME style settings is one of the biggest improvements for Ant integration in 4.5 and arguably the best way to promote this (and make people realize) is to take Ant out of the IDEA build and let them see for themselves how easy it is to get it working with whatever version of Ant they want.

Not only does it make the IDEA build less bloated, it also promotes the fact that it is no longer a requirement to use an Ant bundled with IDEA.

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And believe me when I tell you that I for one am very happy about that. ;)

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You and me both Michael! :)

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