Smaller scrollbars

Is there a chance to have a smaller scrollbars?
Having pretty humble screen resolution (laptop 1024x768)
I am very serious about saving screen space.
Fonts, hiding sidebars and status bar, etc are working OK
but one area not discussed is to have a chance of smaller
scrollbars (in Windows I typically configure scrollbars
to be 12pts or less). With these huge scrollbars all my other
efforts look little funny.
Perhaps it is possible by playing with the L&F?

Thanks

r.

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Maybe it's just me, but I work on 1024x768 on a 15" monitor and I don't
feel I need more space than that. At least, I don't think that removing
the toolbar, sidebars, or any other UI feature would really make any
difference -- at most I'd get 2 more lines of text, and 4 or 5 more
columns.

If I had a larger monitor, and was able to use a finer resolution, I would
enlarge my font -- the amount of code that fits in my screen is more
than enough for me.

--
Marcus Brito <pazu@animegaiden.com.br>


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Could not agree more! Default windows scroll bars (as well as frame titles) are ridiculosly wide
even on 1280x1024 and 1600x1200. And once you mentioned this here is another thing:
By some reason starting with IDEA 4.0 the default IDEA's L&F is not the most compact
(in terms of screen real estate) L&F any more. All my attempts to play with fonts and font sizes
have failed. I was able to reduce font size, but it was conpensated by increased line spacings.
I don't know if it was imposed by icon sizes but surely it looks just ugly. What is the point of
having smaller font if you can't fit more text in the same space? So I ended up with using
Windows L&F as the only option to get more or less reasonable spacing. Unfortunately
it ignores user settings for scroll bar width etc.
The bottom line is that it would be really nice indeed to have finer grain controls over L&F
like line spacing, icon size, scroll bar/headers/menu bar/etc. widths and so forth. I would also
mention such space saving features like ability to put multiple bars into one line (like menu
bar + tool bar line), fine grain auto-hiding (like auto hiding tool bars and tab headers in panes)
and preference of using combo-boxes or drop-downs over tabs. Tabs look nice and slick
to show it to your boss but they eat up too much space. Look, I already know that project pane
can contain project view or packages view and I almost never change my settings for auto-scroll
to source, flatten-packages, show-structure/members etc! And yet all this stuff is hanging in front
of my eyes all the time eating up as much as 4 lines of my project view making me mad because
of it's screaming waste of precious space. I really think that using tabs instead of combo-boxes
in such places is a step back from IDEA-3.0.
Of course I do realize that there are a lot more important things to do first so I would not file
an official request for this, but if it's not too much trouble, think about it, pleeease....
After all it is the UI we spend most of our time with.

--Oleg

"Richard Nemec" <rndzank@attbi.com> wrote in message news:c97tqp$1cc$1@is.intellij.net...

Is there a chance to have a smaller scrollbars?
Having pretty humble screen resolution (laptop 1024x768)
I am very serious about saving screen space.
Fonts, hiding sidebars and status bar, etc are working OK
but one area not discussed is to have a chance of smaller
scrollbars (in Windows I typically configure scrollbars
to be 12pts or less). With these huge scrollbars all my other
efforts look little funny.
Perhaps it is possible by playing with the L&F?

>

Thanks

>

r.



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I was able to reduce font
size, but it was conpensated by increased line spacings.


Doesn't the "Line spacing" setting work for you?

In my few test done here (win2k) idea seemed to set the line spacing
accordingly.

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I'm not sure about Oleg, of course.
I use the line spacing - it works (the icons may need some resizing to
fit the tiny rows) but the scrollbars are simply humongous compared
to the edited text.
However, Oleg generalized my simplistic request/question in the right
direction - there is (hopefully?) significant amount of users that want
to have much more options in reducing the space used by anything else
than their edited text and file list (a.k.a. project explorer).

The space reduction area may include:
- reducing various graphical elements (scrollbars, frames around views,
icons, etc.)
- hiding additional elements (toolbars in views, unused tabs,...)
- hiding temporarily unused content (e.g. filtering shown sources in
project, packages, j2ee views - I like the way Eclipse does the
worksets and filters)

If we could get someone from JB to comment on these things, whether
it makes sense in general product directions, we may start filing
requests in tracker.

r.


Carlos Costa e Silva wrote:

>>I was able to reduce font
>>size, but it was conpensated by increased line spacings.


Doesn't the "Line spacing" setting work for you?

In my few test done here (win2k) idea seemed to set the line spacing
accordingly.

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"Carlos Costa e Silva" <carlos@keysoft.pt> wrote in message news:c98i4q$htu$1@is.intellij.net...

I was able to reduce font
size, but it was conpensated by increased line spacings.

>

Doesn't the "Line spacing" setting work for you?


May be I'm missing something, but line spacing works for editor windows only.
It never was much of a problem. I was talking about everything else, the stuff
from Appearance settings, not Colors & Fonts. I don't see how I can change line
spacing or icon size in my project view for example. If I change default font to smaller
size I'd get tiny characters placed next to big folder icons which defies the purpose of the
change. There must be a way to say that I want the adjacent text to be the same height
as an icon or better an icon to be the same height as the font size + line spacing (or get rid
of icons all together).
Frankly I'm not big fan of icons at all. By some strange reason, however creative a UI designer
might be, my brain refuses to recognize meaning of this small pictures as fast as it does for text.
Whenever I see an icon it's always a question: What the hell does this picture mean? It always
takes a moment to guess Oh it must be this.... But you never 100% sure. Plain text always
does much better job. Of course, when I get used to the UI, icons can serve for me as space
saving feature, but big icons defy this purpose, they are only useful at high screen resolutions.
So, personally, big icons for me are just a big waste of space, 8x8 or 16x16 would do just fine.
Since I would never guess their meaning anyway they as well might (better) be just some abstract
symbols like Chinese hieroglyphs or color coded patterns.
Ideally I'd prefer to have an ability to scale them manually or accordingly to the size of the adjacent
text. But, then again, it's just me.......

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In my few test done here (win2k) idea seemed to set the line spacing
accordingly.

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--Oleg


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