dvorak anyone?

hi,

i tried using another keyboardlayout, but idea seems to mess up some of the hotkeys. if i press ctrl & n (dvoraked), everything is fine, but ctrl & z (also dvoraked) openes a "find text"-dialog. any ideas what is happenig?

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got the same problem when assigning hotkeys - i press "p", which is "z" in dvorak (german edition), but the "keystoke"-textfield shows a small "L"

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:07:56 MSK, HamsterofDeath   <h-star@gmx.de>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>i tried using another keyboardlayout, but idea seems to mess up some of the hotkeys. if i press ctrl & n (dvoraked), everything is fine, but ctrl & z (also dvoraked) openes a "find text"-dialog. any ideas what is happenig?

The way to avoid this sort of trouble is to put the Dvorakness in
keyboard firmware. The OS and apps think you have a QWERTY.

See http://mindprod.com/bgloss/dsk.html

There are still some problems. Some combos are easy to key in QWERTY
and awkward for DSK.

My Kinesis keyboard has firmware marcros, so I can map easy-to-key
combos to hard to key ones, and the software never knows anything
about it.

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Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
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If we have learned one thing from the history of invention and discovery, it is that, in the long run � and often in the short one � the most daring prophecies seem laughably conservative.
~ Arthur C. Clarke (born: 1917-12-16 died: 2008-03-19 at age: 90)

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"The OS and apps think you have a QWERTY."
that makes no sense. i switched the layout at os level, it is supposed to work that way

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:07:56 +0000, HamsterofDeath wrote:

i tried using another keyboardlayout, but idea seems to mess up some of
the hotkeys. if i press ctrl & n (dvoraked), everything is fine, but
ctrl & z (also dvoraked) openes a "find text"-dialog. any ideas what is
happenig?


I've been using IDEA on PCs (running Linux) with Dvorak layouts for years
and haven't noticed any problems.  Perhaps you've inadvertently mapped
ctrl-z to more than one action since switching layouts?

--
Mark Scott
mark@codebrewer.com

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if i switch back, it works again (windows)

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:52:37 MSK, HamsterofDeath   <h-star@gmx.de>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>"The OS and apps think you have a QWERTY."
>that makes no sense. i switched the layout at os level, it is supposed to work that way

It depends who does the keyboard remapping. If a tiny computer inside
the keyboard does it, the OS and the apps know nothing about it.  If
the OS does it in the keyboard driver then you have problems such as
you described.

The essay I pointed you to describes some of the problems with OS
keyboard mapping, including difficulty configuring BIOS, since the OS
is not present to help you.  Another is you must solve the remap
probem for each OS. Another (less so today) is apps reach down too far
toward the iron, and bypass the remap. Another is using other people's
machines. They get hostile if you reconfigure, or even block you.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
If we have learned one thing from the history of invention and discovery, it is that, in the long run � and often in the short one � the most daring prophecies seem laughably conservative.
~ Arthur C. Clarke (born: 1917-12-16 died: 2008-03-19 at age: 90)

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:04:35 +0000, Mark Scott
<intellij_news@codebrewer.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>
>I've been using IDEA on PCs (running Linux) with Dvorak layouts for years
>and haven't noticed any problems.  Perhaps you've inadvertently mapped
>ctrl-z to more than one action since switching layouts?

You may be getting interference from other keystroke-intercepting
programs like Allchars or ClipMate.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
If we have learned one thing from the history of invention and discovery, it is that, in the long run � and often in the short one � the most daring prophecies seem laughably conservative.
~ Arthur C. Clarke (born: 1917-12-16 died: 2008-03-19 at age: 90)

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:02:38 -0800, Roedy Green wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:04:35 +0000, Mark Scott
<intellij_news@codebrewer.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>>I've been using IDEA on PCs (running Linux) with Dvorak layouts for
>>years and haven't noticed any problems.  Perhaps you've inadvertently
>>mapped ctrl-z to more than one action since switching layouts?


You may be getting interference from other keystroke-intercepting
programs like Allchars or ClipMate.


Careful with your attributions now: I'm not experiencing any problems at
all, thank you very much :)

--
Mark Scott
mark@codebrewer.com

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