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I think you missed the point. They port when they switch JREs. There is
not much need for accepting a bug on a unsupported platform.

It will get there soon enough. They are usually very good with getting
their app running on the latest JDK.

It is a beta JDK after all.

--
Norris Shelton
Sun Certified Java Programmer


"Hezekiel" <tilaus@almasoftware.com> wrote in message
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http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=28964

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It's a bug that prevents IDEA to be run with 1.5.0 jdk. Will not fix. Does

that mean that even next summer when 1.5 will be out with CDS (class data
sharing) we can't run IDEA with it? Will we have to wait for IDEA 5 to use
1.5 jdk?


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Well, I don' think supporting a beta JDK is very smart. Much like they don't actually support the EAP builds. They are just there for us to play with and report what we find. Not intended for production you would say.

I for one am playing with JDK 1.5, but I am not in my bosses office demanding we switch tomorrow. JDK 1.5 introduces some of the first major syntax changes in a while. Every IDE will have to adapt their parser for it. But right now, those changes are still a bit of a moving target. Yes, I want IDEA to support them as soon as possible. But, I can understand JetBrains waiting for some more finalization of the changes.

And to be more on the point, you don't have to run JDK 1.5 to have an IDE that parses the syntax. IDEA could stay on JRE 1.4 as its shipping JRE and it wouldn't matter two bits for editing text. If I remember correctly, not running IDEA on the supplied JRE is unsupported. It wouldn't matter what version. I think it's brilliant from a support perspective. Could you imaging trying to get something as complicated as IDEA to run on every JVM out there?

Patrick

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On 2/12/04 10:28 PM, in article
19853140.1076614116166.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net, "Hezekiel"
<tilaus@almasoftware.com> wrote:

http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=28964

It's a bug that prevents IDEA to be run with 1.5.0 jdk. Will not fix. Does
that mean that even next summer when 1.5 will be out with CDS (class data
sharing) we can't run IDEA with it? Will we have to wait for IDEA 5 to use 1.5
jdk?


This particular is fixed though there's many others can bee seen from the
first run. Yet again PLEASE DO NOT USE ANY OTHER JRE FROM SUPPLIED WITH THE
INSTALLATION. They're just not supported. That one was easy to fix but we'll
not spend any significant time adopting IDEA to run under 1.5 right now.
Please be patient.

--
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


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Hezekiel wrote:

Thx!

I got the impression that you weren't going to support 1.5 with IDEA 4 at all. I'm not in a hurry, as long as I know that it'll be possible in few months time. Around or before Q3, may I hope? ;)

Few upgrades and few new licences coming from this way before spring. =)


I'm not sure if IDEA will run under 1.5 itself. And I'm not quite
understand why does this matter. On other hand we'll do our best to
support full 1.5 features in IDEA 4.1

--
Maxim Shafirov
IntelliJ Labs / JetBrains Inc.
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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Thx!

I got the impression that you weren't going to support 1.5 with IDEA 4 at all. I'm not in a hurry, as long as I know that it'll be possible in few months time. Around or before Q3, may I hope? ;)

Few upgrades and few new licences coming from this way before spring. =)

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Sounds like miscommunication. You and I thought he was talking about
running IntelliJ under 1.5. I now think he is actually talking about
compiling his projects with the 1.5 JDK.

--
Norris Shelton
Sun Certified Java Programmer


"Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains)" <max@intellij.com> wrote in message
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Hezekiel wrote:

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Thx!

>

I got the impression that you weren't going to support 1.5 with IDEA 4

at all. I'm not in a hurry, as long as I know that it'll be possible in few
months time. Around or before Q3, may I hope? ;)

>

Few upgrades and few new licences coming from this way before spring. =)

>

I'm not sure if IDEA will run under 1.5 itself. And I'm not quite
understand why does this matter. On other hand we'll do our best to
support full 1.5 features in IDEA 4.1

>

--
Maxim Shafirov
IntelliJ Labs / JetBrains Inc.
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"



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Norris Shelton wrote:

Sounds like miscommunication. You and I thought he was talking about
running IntelliJ under 1.5. I now think he is actually talking about
compiling his projects with the 1.5 JDK.

At least the exception he had submitted occurs when running IDEA itself under 1.5.

--
Maxim Shafirov
IntelliJ Labs / JetBrains Inc.
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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More precisely:
I was referring to a possibility to run IDEA with 1.5 JDK.

Why is this important? I'm running three to four java apps together: IDEA, development server, development client and sometimes the DBVisualizer application on top of that.

The development server and client are already 1.5 'compliant' enough so I'm thinking that the CDS (class data sharing) would reduce the overall memory consumption in my case. (All four java apps would share the built in classes)

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Unfortunatelly JDK 1.5 brings changes that will sure affect big swing applications. IDEA uses lots of VM-specific hacks to work the way it works, and I don't think that IDEA will run on JDK 1.5 from night to day, specially on a *BETA* VM.

I'm pretty sure that the jetbrainers will tell us when they start trying to run IDEA under 1.5. Till there, we can just eagerly await _.

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I'm pretty sure that the jetbrainers will tell us
when they start trying to run IDEA under 1.5. Till
there, we can just eagerly await _.


As I stated earlier, I'm not in a hurry as long as it'll be possible sometime around the final tiger launch =)

P.S.
What are those VM specific swing hacks? We have a very complex GUI with dynamic components, drag'n'drop everywhere, lot's of threading and some truly nice JTree and JTable stuff. Only things that are causing problems are the dialogs (lost in the background issues) and some orchestrating to get the GUI update nicely when it has to respond to all kind of events.

Some of the reposition/sizing stuff broke when we tried with the 1.5 but that stuff was going to be rewritten with JGoodies forms anyway.



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