992: Blue Screen of Death, anybody


Is it just me, or is 922 causing a lot more BSOD than previous builds?
I've seen 4 of them in about 8 hours.

Alain

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I've never had IDEA cause a BSOD. It has frozen and I've had to kill the
process but never BSOD. I didn't think that was possible with a Java app.

"Alain Ravet" <alain.ravet.list@wanadoo.be> wrote in message
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Is it just me, or is 922 causing a lot more BSOD than previous builds?
I've seen 4 of them in about 8 hours.

>

Alain



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What do you mean? Does your Windows crash?

Tom

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Thomas Singer wrote:

What do you mean? Does your Windows crash?

>

Yes, and my PC reboots.
I couldn't find a pattern, but it's annoying, as my aging XP is
increasing slower at booting.

Alain

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Are you sure it's IDEA?

Have you installed anything else recently? (especially new hardware)

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There is a bug in ATI graphics drivers that causes BOSD with jdk1.4.0 to
1.4.1_?? if I remember correctly.
The way to omit it is to pass commandline flags that disable directdraw:
-Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true

I think in the 3.x idea versions these were set by default. Maybe they are
missing from 992?

Ciao

...Jochen


"Alain Ravet" <alain.ravet.list@wanadoo.be> wrote in message
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Is it just me, or is 922 causing a lot more BSOD than previous builds?
I've seen 4 of them in about 8 hours.

>

Alain




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Rayz wrote:

>Are you sure it's IDEA?
>Have you installed anything else recently? (especially new hardware)

>

I'm sure, as far as you can be sure, when working on windows. I've added
nor upgrated nothing.

Alain

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Jochen Riekhof wrote:

>There is a bug in ATI graphics drivers that causes BOSD with jdk1.4.0 to
>1.4.1_?? if I remember correctly.
>The way to omit it is to pass commandline flags that disable directdraw:
>-Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true
>
>I think in the 3.x idea versions these were set by default. Maybe they are
>missing from 992?
>
>Ciao

>


I work on a Toshiba laptop, and I hadn't experienced BSOD in the past 2
months.
The only things that changed since I installed build 922, is build 922,
and the usual too frequent but recommended XP system upgrade.
It seems to happen when a lot of disk activity is taking place. I
wouldn't bet my life on it, though.
Yours? Maybe; if it can help me solve my problem :)

Alain


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In article <br7b2h$9e5$1@is.intellij.net>,
"Brad" <brad.lane@pearson.com> wrote:

"Alain Ravet" <alain.ravet.list@wanadoo.be> wrote in message
news:br7aho$51i$1@is.intellij.net...
>

Is it just me, or is 922 causing a lot more BSOD than previous builds?
I've seen 4 of them in about 8 hours.

>

I've never had IDEA cause a BSOD. It has frozen and I've had to kill the
process but never BSOD. I didn't think that was possible with a Java app.


A few months ago, all of a sudden IDEA started causing my Windows
machine to reboot a few times a day.

I wrote a DOS batch file that ran an infinite loop, then I ran many
copies of it. And that caused my machine to reboot too.

So I determined that it was something in the PC and not IDEA's fault.
(Even though I blamed IDEA at first.) My solution was to retire the
computer and buy a new one (a Mac as it turns out).


--
Erik Hanson

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I'm on a laptop, too, but haven't got any BSODs so far (with any of the EAP
builds, including 992).

IBM laptop with XP, ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 cards.
It's been a while since my last XP upgrade, though (maybe 2 weeks).

HTH,
Andrei

I work on a Toshiba laptop, and I hadn't experienced BSOD in the past 2
months.
The only things that changed since I installed build 922, is build 922,
and the usual too frequent but recommended XP system upgrade.
It seems to happen when a lot of disk activity is taking place. I
wouldn't bet my life on it, though.
Yours? Maybe; if it can help me solve my problem :)

>

Alain

>
>


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Same here: bad hardware.

I have a flaky second disk. For months now it's complaining that it's
about to fail and sometimes I get spontaneous reboots and the disk
doesn't respond anymore. Right now it's an 80G disk used only for idea
system cache.

Look into the event viewer for any warning/error messages.

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Sounds like, that Toshiba have troubles with XP... So, try to test your CPU temperature, also check RAM...

Try to use some application that can eat ALL 100% of CPU and totaly RAM space. I think it will cause such BSOD. For example Photoshop, try to rotate or resize large images.

I have same, and this will fixed, by swithing off CPU Cache Level 2 to off... Maybe i have broken PIII :(

Thank you

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I concur with this and all the other messages. The Java VM seems to be
quite adept at showing up dodgy hardware - I got some new DDR-400 memory
a few months ago and clocking it at 400 was fine for all apps and
games... apart from IDEA, where simply scrolling through a console
output would crash the VM. Notched the memory down a few MHz and the
problem was gone.

I'd check out your hw config and run some diagnostics if I were you.

N.

Erik Hanson wrote:

In article <br7b2h$9e5$1@is.intellij.net>,
"Brad" <brad.lane@pearson.com> wrote:

>>"Alain Ravet" <alain.ravet.list@wanadoo.be> wrote in message
>>news:br7aho$51i$1@is.intellij.net...
>>
>>>Is it just me, or is 922 causing a lot more BSOD than previous builds?
>>>I've seen 4 of them in about 8 hours.
>>
>>I've never had IDEA cause a BSOD. It has frozen and I've had to kill the
>>process but never BSOD. I didn't think that was possible with a Java app.


A few months ago, all of a sudden IDEA started causing my Windows
machine to reboot a few times a day.

I wrote a DOS batch file that ran an infinite loop, then I ran many
copies of it. And that caused my machine to reboot too.

So I determined that it was something in the PC and not IDEA's fault.
(Even though I blamed IDEA at first.) My solution was to retire the
computer and buy a new one (a Mac as it turns out).


--
Erik Hanson

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Sorry to hear that Alain and I feel somewhat sympathetic... (the reason of the somewhat will be clear later)

I just built another PC (fast like the wind) and that only acerbated the fact that my old one has become completely unusable after 1 1/2 year (I have to hand it to M$. This is definitively a first for me, WinNT about every year and Win9x every 6m.)

Now I have to build the new one, copy all info from the old to the new one, reinstall everything than rebuild the old one and reinstall again everything while always maintaining an uptime of any one pc 365, 7/7 24/24 for... my wife. Too much dependency on email ;)
In addition I just had my work laptop HD crashed so I had to re-install everything a 3rd time on Win2k and reinstall XP for the 3rd time as a second boot (to get wireless networking and Cleartype!!!) along with everything again for the 4th time.

I am an IT guy now. Not a developer anymore.

Thought that will make you smile (misery loves company... ). Good luck on your upcoming rebuild ;-P

Jacques

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Thanks to all of you for your replies.
So, there seems to be a consensus on a faulty hardware. As my pc is a
laptop, I have much less tweaking possibilities. I'll run a HW check.

One more question : does anybody recommend a good free hardware
diagnostic tool for windows WP, preferably free of spyware?

Alain

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I think, that the VM is more restrict at memory errors than "normal"
native applications. And, it typically consumes (=> checks) more RAM.

Maybe running a large Java application is the best RAM test you can
think of?

Tom


Nathan Brown wrote:

I concur with this and all the other messages. The Java VM seems to be
quite adept at showing up dodgy hardware - I got some new DDR-400 memory
a few months ago and clocking it at 400 was fine for all apps and
games... apart from IDEA, where simply scrolling through a console
output would crash the VM. Notched the memory down a few MHz and the
problem was gone.

I'd check out your hw config and run some diagnostics if I were you.

N.



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The BSOD is a Windoze problem not IntelliJ, you should not be able to kill an OS with a virtual machine.

There's a very simple solution for the BSOD, it's called Linux. You don't need to loose everything you've got in Windoze because almost all Linux Distros now install a dual boot over Windows. I run Mandrake 9.2, Redhat 9 and "DamnSmallLinux" all as boot options on my Dell laptop, they work beautifully.
If you want to see what it all looks like then why not try one of the Linux bootable CDs, you simply download the ISO image, blow it onto a CD and boot of it. It then runs 100% from the CD and you can even see your Windoze drives. When you've finished you just reboot as before. Once you've decided it's usable then you can take the plunge and go for a dual boot into something like RedHat. It costs nothing and you'll get a far better development environment for Java development, you can work in Linux and then boot back into Windoze when you need to.

Mandrake and Suse are the best desktops to use, especially for beginners but RedHat is probably the "safest" to install as dual boot. All of them give you a Windoze-like desktop with "Start" on a toolbar.

For the bootable CDs try the full featured http://www.knoppix.org (the original) or the "tiny" http://www.damnsmalllinux.otg (an entire OS in only 47meg).

Use Linux and wave good bye to the BSOD.

-John-

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update :

> .. a diagnostic tool for windows WP ?

I found a memory tester on microsoft.com
From: http://oca.microsoft.com/en/mtinst.exe

I created the boot floppy, and let if run for 2+ hours, but it found
nothing.
I'm disappointed.
And clueless.

Alain

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On 2003/12/11 13:28, Alain Ravet wrote:

update :

> .. a diagnostic tool for windows WP ?

I found a memory tester on microsoft.com
From: http://oca.microsoft.com/en/mtinst.exe

I created the boot floppy, and let if run for 2+ hours, but it found
nothing.
I'm disappointed.
And clueless.


What about memtest86: http://www.memtest86.com/ ?
Also I have never ever had a blue screen of death caused by IDEA or any
other java program. I /have/ had hardware problems which caused my pc to
BSOD or lock up, which were caused by my cheap MSI motherboard...

Good luck,
Bas

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Alain,

Our IT recomend follow software:
CPUCool, for CPU testing
MemCheck Pro, for RAM testing


Thanks!

"Alain Ravet" <alain.ravet.list@wanadoo.be> wrote in message
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update :

>

> .. a diagnostic tool for windows WP ?

>

I found a memory tester on microsoft.com
From: http://oca.microsoft.com/en/mtinst.exe

>

I created the boot floppy, and let if run for 2+ hours, but it found
nothing.
I'm disappointed.
And clueless.

>

Alain

>


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John

>Use Linux and wave good bye to the BSOD.

>

I know it sounds like a bumper sticker, but
"My second laptop runs on Linux.".
, and runs my CVS server, through Wifi !
I'm about to install it on my old 233Mhz Toshiba (where I used to run
IDEA 1.0, in 96M of RAM :( !! )

Although the desktop experience has improved a lot recently - I
installed Lindows 4.5, the laptop edition-, I must confess that the XP
fonts + Clearcase look better.

I guess that I could it tweak it, in that direction. Any advice, for the
fonts, is welcome.

Alain

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Alexey

>Our IT recomend follow software:

CPUCool, for CPU testing
MemCheck Pro, for RAM testing

>

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Alain

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>> There is a bug in ATI graphics drivers that causes BOSD >> with jdk1.4.0 to
>> 1.4.1_?? if I remember correctly.
>> The way to omit it is to pass commandline flags that
>> disable directdraw:
>> -Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true
>>
>> I think in the 3.x idea versions these were set by
>> default. Maybe they are
>> missing from 992?

992 still has this option on,
and I remember getting BSODs when it wasn't there
(I obviously have an ATI video card)

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Actually one of the best tools for testing CPU stability is Prime95 and can be found here http://www.mersenne.org/ . It is widely used in the overclocking community and ones system is considered stable if you can run it for 12-24 hours without getting a rounding error. Also Memtest86 is a really good one for checking memory stability.

BTW. I've never had any version of Idea or EAP releases blue screen my pc at work or home. My work pc is a Dell 8200 2.2Ghz P4 | 1GB Ram | GForce 2 MX 400 and at home I use it on a Compaq laptop with an AMD Athlon 2400+ | 512 MB Ram | ATI Radeon Mobility.

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Sadly I have to admit that Windoze does a better job with fonts but given the choice between nice fonts and the BSOD I know what I'd choose. Linux does handle TTFs so you can always copy over your Windoze fonts and select the right one for your app.

IntelliJ looks almost the same under Linux, it does need a bit of tweeking with the fonts to get best results but people have sat and worked with me for 15-20 minutes before realising it's not Windoze, the start menu is there, IntelliJ and various other tools too.

-John-

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I used an excellent tool called "Mandrake", on one laptop that kept crashing (BSOD) it actually pointed out that the memory was using two different types of chip and refused to "see" the second 512 meg. After taking out the second SIM Windoze was far more "stable" (everything's relative).

-John-

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Please, don't start a OS flame war here. If there is a BSOD on Windows,
it not necessarily has to do with Windows itself. A lot of us have
confirmed, that it most likely is a hardware or driver problem. Such
problems also happen in free OS.

Tom

PS: A few years ago I also was a Linux freak, now I'm a
platform-independence freak.

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John Davies wrote:

>I used an excellent tool called "Mandrake", on one laptop that kept crashing (BSOD) it actually pointed out that the memory was using two different types of chip and refused to "see" the second 512 meg. After taking out the second SIM Windoze was far more "stable" (everything's relative).
>
>

>

I guess a memory checker could have have diagnosed this problem,
couldn't it?

While you're here, what fonts do you use in Linux?

Alain

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In article <br984c$2a3$1@is.intellij.net>,
Alain Ravet <alain.ravet.list@wanadoo.be> wrote:

Thanks to all of you for your replies.
So, there seems to be a consensus on a faulty hardware. As my pc is a
laptop, I have much less tweaking possibilities. I'll run a HW check.

One more question : does anybody recommend a good free hardware
diagnostic tool for windows WP, preferably free of spyware?


I tried a few tools, but nothing worked as well as writing a batch file
that does an infinite loop and then running multiple copies of it. That
killed the machine in under a minute, while all the RAM testing and CPU
testing just went on for hours and hours.

Of course, it probably depends on the type of hardware fault.


--
Erik Hanson

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I was just giving some general advise, it IS a windoze problem since harware does not turn your screen blue, it's the software that can't handle the hardware that turns the screen blue.

I use both XP and Linux, I have just found that making the effort to move to Linux for development is worth it.

-John-

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