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It is pretty, and the functionality seems to be spot-on, but it doesn't fit in with the rest of the application all that well. Actually, it looks more like a Mac OS X application than anything else.

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That's the excitement of the EAP - we get to try first hand new UI concepts.
That's half the fun :)

I am happy it didn't require me to rebuild my project file again...

Amnon

"Dave Griffith" <dave.griffith@cnn.com> wrote in message
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It is pretty, and the functionality seems to be spot-on, but it doesn't

fit in with the rest of the application all that well. Actually, it looks
more like a Mac OS X application than anything else.


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Omg, enough already! It looks like crap! It looks like a mix between os x, windows xp and some less than manly average linux skin. Sorry but I like my UIs professional. This is ugly!

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heh, interesting setup, I keep click on project properties to get to the
setup, and then I'm like... DOPE.... OK

So here is the thing... Where is module setup for webapps?

R


Patrik Andersson wrote:
| Omg, enough already! It looks like crap! It looks like a mix between
os x, windows xp and some less than manly average linux skin. Sorry but
I like my UIs professional. This is ugly!
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I respectfully disagree. I find it jarring and unintuitive. The UI should
match the rest of the application.

--
Jordan Zimmerman
http://www.jordanzimmerman.com


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I respectfully disagree. I find it jarring and
unintuitive.

Full ACK --> unintuitive (at least in this current eap state)


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Well it doesn't match the IDE because of the header titles, but I think
once you look at it, it's very intuitive and adding new libraries is
really quick. Checking off boxes is excellent. Editing a lib still
takes too many steps, but hey, can't have it all at the same time.

LaF needs work, but it's a work in progress.

R

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Yes, I like it too. It needs a lot of refinement, and I hope the rest of the application will match it one day, but I like where they appear to be going with it.

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I agree. I stare at it and wonder what on earth am I supposed to do with
this thing. It's very, very, very un-Jetbrains.

Fortunately, they'll take more stabs at it and it will get better. They
have a tendency to do UI stuff very well, so I'm looking forward to the
eventual version of it.


"Tom Schreiber" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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I respectfully disagree. I find it jarring and
unintuitive.

Full ACK --> unintuitive (at least in this current eap state)

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No, I really do like it ... but then I like the MacOSX interface as well.

The problem is that it looks so out of place ..... :(

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The first pane (Paths) is OK, I think. I found it very pleasant to look and it is actually easy to work on. The second pane (Libraries), however, needs work.

First, I can barely see my libraries at all. Since my jars are usually on a deep directory structure, they are all clipped before I can even see the file name. So my libraries pane is a big list of entries that look exactly the same:
No good, I say. There's a screenshot attached to show it

Then it comes the problem that the UI doesn't fit in the rest of the application, and yes, this is a problem -- unless you would rework most other dialogs to match this one (which I loved to look at).



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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:57:28 +0000, Patrik Andersson wrote:

Omg, enough already! It looks like crap! It looks like a mix between os
x, windows xp and some less than manly average linux skin. Sorry but I
like my UIs professional. This is ugly!


Agreed (although I might not have said it so strongly). I do hope this
isn't the look IDEA will have in future.

--
Mark Scott

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...but it doesn't fit in with the rest of the application all that well.


+1

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Have you seen IDEA on OS X yet? It looks absolutely sweet. I can send you some screenshots if you promise to buy a Mac afterwards...

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Agreed - I have exactly the same problem.

Also, am I missing something or is there no way to remove a library once it's been added to the module?

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Hmm - does it import jar files over a period of time?! I can now remove half of my libraries, but I can no longer even see the bottom part of the dialog box....

Apologies for the large dimensions of the image, but there wasn't really any other way to show how much of the dialog box was missing!



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It is pretty, and the functionality seems to be spot-on, but it doesn't fit in with the rest of the application all that well. Actually, it looks more like a Mac OS X application than anything else.


well, I don't like it..it's to bright (hurts my eyes), doesn't fit into Idea overal look and feel.
I shortly used OSX and found it's interfaces way too bright..it looks sweet, but you also have to work with it, not just look at it//

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i like this direction.
Functionally, its on target. easy to figure out. works like i expected it to. nice. obviously, the l&F will be refined.

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:39:22 +0000, Dirk Dittert wrote:

Have you seen IDEA on OS X yet? It looks absolutely sweet. I can send you
some screenshots if you promise to buy a Mac afterwards...


I'd love to see some screenshots, and as for the mac - I'd love to buy one...

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:25:58 +0000, Mark Scott wrote:

Agreed (although I might not have said it so strongly). I do hope this
isn't the look IDEA will have in future.


Not only is it out of place, we now have "configure project" and "project
properties", both which would seem to want to be grouped together...

Hmmm

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:38:06 +0100, jjooee wrote:

well, I don't like it..it's to bright (hurts my eyes), doesn't fit into
Idea overal look and feel. I shortly used OSX and found it's interfaces
way too bright..it looks sweet, but you also have to work with it, not
just look at it//


Does OS/X not have the ability to change colour schemes? If its too
bright, darken it.

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While the UI looks cutesy, there are some fairly serious problems with it in terms of usability.

Here's some points off the top of my head

- It's confusing to have two menu options that determine project properties. There's no logical way to deduce which does what based on their names

- The remove button for content entry subelements (gosh, what an intuitive name!) is far far too small.

- Nomenclature is also very un-obvious. What's the difference between a content entry and a module?

- No add library links in project/application libraries. Again, naming confusion, what's an application? We now have project, application, module, and content entry. We also have a dependencies tab with no hint as to how that relates to the other generic names!

- HTML style hotlinks violate general UI principles. What's so bad about normal add/edit/remove buttons as seen everywhere else in the IDE?

- Sure, it looks pretty nice on OSX, but the top of the Target JDK combobox is clipped.

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Ok, here we go. It's a screen shot of the editor and of the new module configuration dialog (which I believe is a little bit too bright). Tell me if you want to see something specific.

This Panther (10.3). Things look a lot different on Jaguar (especially tabs)



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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:03:18 +0000, Dirk Dittert wrote:

Ok, here we go. It's a screen shot of the editor and of the new module
configuration dialog (which I believe is a little bit too bright). Tell me
if you want to see something specific.


Looks nice ( although there didn't seem to be the 2nd image ( at least not
via usenet )). I think I could enjoy using that desktop :)

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Mark Derricutt <mark@talios.com> wrote:

Looks nice ( although there didn't seem to be the 2nd image ( at least not
via usenet )). I think I could enjoy using that desktop :)


Sorry for posting binary. I didn't realize that attachments get posted
into the newsgroup, too.

Dirk Dittert

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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:09:41 +0100, Dirk Dittert wrote:

Sorry for posting binary. I didn't realize that attachments get posted
into the newsgroup, too.


Don't be :) I was glad of the screenshot :)

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Does OS/X not have the ability to change colour schemes? If its too
bright, darken it.

eh, this becomes off topic but..
dunno...as I said I used it shortly, and I hated each day I had to use it..
...not so much because of OSX but more because of this stupid, rsi-one-click round mouse...grr...
I was sharing this machine with one of our designers so, I couldn't change much on the system either (it was her working desktop)..
Anyway, I am thinkering myself to buy one of those 17" powerbooks, way to expensive,
but at least you get something for your money...other option is to stick with windows platform,
but than, I don't see any alternatives for 17" powerbook (if someone has, please say it)
-m


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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:19:50 +0100, jjooee wrote:

it.. ...not so much because of OSX but more because of this stupid,
rsi-one-click round mouse...grr... I was sharing this machine with one of
our designers so, I couldn't change much on the system either (it was her
working desktop).. Anyway, I am thinkering myself to buy one of those 17"


Hmmm, You'd be about the only Mac user I've heard of that still uses a
single button mouse... I'm surprised they still ship them with the
machines :(

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