"Great Job" on the progress of the look and feel

To intellij folks,
This is nothing build # specific but the ongoing changes on the overall look and feel of IDEA has been great. You guys pay attention to the little details and this is just to say "Keep doing it guys!". I just recently started using OSX and one of the main reasons that convinced me to switch was the fact that IDEA would run on OSX. Since I spend 90% off my development time in IDEA I wasn't about to switch without knowing my favortie IDE would be available. The fact that IDEA is starting to "fit" in with the rest of my desktop in terms of look and feel is a great PLUS! Thanks!

Aye

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"Aye Thu" <thua@usa.redcross.org> wrote in message
news:20091501.1063808160455.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

To intellij folks,
This is nothing build # specific but the ongoing changes on the overall

look and feel of IDEA has been great. You guys pay attention to the little
details and this is just to say "Keep doing it guys!". I just recently
started using OSX and one of the main reasons that convinced me to switch
was the fact that IDEA would run on OSX. Since I spend 90% off my
development time in IDEA I wasn't about to switch without knowing my
favortie IDE would be available. The fact that IDEA is starting to "fit" in
with the rest of my desktop in terms of look and feel is a great PLUS!
Thanks!
>

Aye



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EAP builds get prettier icons, but have the same clunky dialog window
design, as well as inconsistent (to my taste) window handling. Well, I
understand, that graphics designer does not program in Swing, nor he/she
should be a UI/usability specialist, but still, I would rather prefer more
usable dialogs, than pretty icons.

Also, I would prefer IDEA to use the screen space more rationally, see my CR
here: http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=16325

Just changing the icons, shades and all these color and transparency effects
makes me recall the old feeling of using the same old Win 3.1, dressed up
with CTL3D or BWCC.

Just a rant ;)

Yep, new icons are nice :)

Michael J.

"Aye Thu" <thua@usa.redcross.org> wrote in message
news:20091501.1063808160455.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

To intellij folks,
This is nothing build # specific but the ongoing changes on the overall

look and feel of IDEA has been great. You guys pay attention to the little
details and this is just to say "Keep doing it guys!". I just recently
started using OSX and one of the main reasons that convinced me to switch
was the fact that IDEA would run on OSX. Since I spend 90% off my
development time in IDEA I wasn't about to switch without knowing my
favortie IDE would be available. The fact that IDEA is starting to "fit" in
with the rest of my desktop in terms of look and feel is a great PLUS!
Thanks!
>

Aye



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I kind of like the idea of the smaller scrollbar, but the question is why?

Does one more line of code make a difference? Do you have a small monitor?
My idea window always sits in the lower right hand corner - I put another in
the upper left if I need 2 (rarely).

Maybe you should get a bigger monitor? My 21" has lots of real estate.
;- )

"Michael Jouravlev" <mikus@mail.ru> wrote in message
news:bkcmqo$bl7$1@is.intellij.net...

EAP builds get prettier icons, but have the same clunky dialog window
design, as well as inconsistent (to my taste) window handling. Well, I
understand, that graphics designer does not program in Swing, nor he/she
should be a UI/usability specialist, but still, I would rather prefer more
usable dialogs, than pretty icons.

>

Also, I would prefer IDEA to use the screen space more rationally, see my

CR

here: http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=16325

>

Just changing the icons, shades and all these color and transparency

effects

makes me recall the old feeling of using the same old Win 3.1, dressed up
with CTL3D or BWCC.

>

Just a rant ;)

>

Yep, new icons are nice :)

>

Michael J.

>

"Aye Thu" <thua@usa.redcross.org> wrote in message
news:20091501.1063808160455.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

To intellij folks,
This is nothing build # specific but the ongoing changes on the overall

look and feel of IDEA has been great. You guys pay attention to the little
details and this is just to say "Keep doing it guys!". I just recently
started using OSX and one of the main reasons that convinced me to switch
was the fact that IDEA would run on OSX. Since I spend 90% off my
development time in IDEA I wasn't about to switch without knowing my
favortie IDE would be available. The fact that IDEA is starting to "fit"

in

with the rest of my desktop in terms of look and feel is a great PLUS!
Thanks!
>

Aye

>
>


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Norris Shelton wrote:

I kind of like the idea of the smaller scrollbar, but the question is why?


who writes very long lines? with idea set to any reasonable size, how
often would decently written code scroll off the right side? ok,
sometimes, but given that this is not very common, why waste real estate
on it?


Does one more line of code make a difference? Do you have a small monitor?
My idea window always sits in the lower right hand corner - I put another in
the upper left if I need 2 (rarely).


in your default configuration, do you keep a todo, a commander window
always open? you can certainly spare the screen real estate.

sumit.


Maybe you should get a bigger monitor? My 21" has lots of real estate.
;- )

"Michael Jouravlev" <mikus@mail.ru> wrote in message
news:bkcmqo$bl7$1@is.intellij.net...

>>EAP builds get prettier icons, but have the same clunky dialog window
>>design, as well as inconsistent (to my taste) window handling. Well, I
>>understand, that graphics designer does not program in Swing, nor he/she
>>should be a UI/usability specialist, but still, I would rather prefer more
>>usable dialogs, than pretty icons.
>>
>>Also, I would prefer IDEA to use the screen space more rationally, see my


CR

>>here: http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=16325
>>
>>Just changing the icons, shades and all these color and transparency


effects

>>makes me recall the old feeling of using the same old Win 3.1, dressed up
>>with CTL3D or BWCC.
>>
>>Just a rant ;)
>>
>>Yep, new icons are nice :)
>>
>>Michael J.
>>
>>"Aye Thu" <thua@usa.redcross.org> wrote in message
>>news:20091501.1063808160455.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...
>>
>>>To intellij folks,
>>>This is nothing build # specific but the ongoing changes on the overall
>>
>>look and feel of IDEA has been great. You guys pay attention to the little
>>details and this is just to say "Keep doing it guys!". I just recently
>>started using OSX and one of the main reasons that convinced me to switch
>>was the fact that IDEA would run on OSX. Since I spend 90% off my
>>development time in IDEA I wasn't about to switch without knowing my
>>favortie IDE would be available. The fact that IDEA is starting to "fit"


in

>>with the rest of my desktop in terms of look and feel is a great PLUS!
>>Thanks!
>>
>>>Aye
>>
>>



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"Norris Shelton" <nshelton@appriss.com> wrote in message
news:bkcq6m$5a7$1@is.intellij.net...

I kind of like the idea of the smaller scrollbar, but the question is why?

>

Does one more line of code make a difference?


One line here, one line there... If space itself does not mean much to you,
then at least this "more space for code" approach shows that team did
everything and not only in the core classes, but in the UI as well; shows
the desire, the passion for perfection :) Don't you like these nice touches,
which cannot be noticed by everyone, but you see them and appreciate them?
;)

Then, this is the code editor, after all. "More space for code" seems
reasonable to me.

Do you have a small monitor?


I hope that not all the companies out there think Microsoft way: "oh, it
would not work well on 386/4mb. -- Who cares, when we release it, everybody
would have 32mb of ram" :) I do not like extensive development. Also, unlike
ram size, the monitors are more limited in their growth. I have 17'' and I
am pretty happy with the size. I worked with 18 and 19 inch monitors and I
think it is the largest I can handle. I tried 21'' and could not use it at
all. I sit rather close to the monitor, and I barely can fit the whole
screen in my sights without tilting and rotating my head, or scanning the
screen left-right. I do not need bigger screen, I want my current screen to
fit as much as it designed for.

My IE window (attached) has only one tool line, combining menu, toolbar with
small icons, and address field. No fancy "Go" button or "Links" or other
add-on toolbars. Clean, simple, spacious. You see what design I am in favor
of :)

Maybe you should get a bigger monitor? My 21" has lots of real estate.
;- )


Nah, do not want to. I do not need SUV, I am pretty happy with my Corolla,
so to speak :)

Michael J.

>

"Michael Jouravlev" <mikus@mail.ru> wrote in message
news:bkcmqo$bl7$1@is.intellij.net...

EAP builds get prettier icons, but have the same clunky dialog window
design, as well as inconsistent (to my taste) window handling. Well, I
understand, that graphics designer does not program in Swing, nor he/she
should be a UI/usability specialist, but still, I would rather prefer

more

usable dialogs, than pretty icons.

>

Also, I would prefer IDEA to use the screen space more rationally, see

my

CR

here: http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=16325

>

Just changing the icons, shades and all these color and transparency

effects

makes me recall the old feeling of using the same old Win 3.1, dressed

up

with CTL3D or BWCC.

>

Just a rant ;)

>

Yep, new icons are nice :)

>

Michael J.

>

"Aye Thu" <thua@usa.redcross.org> wrote in message
news:20091501.1063808160455.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

To intellij folks,
This is nothing build # specific but the ongoing changes on the

overall

look and feel of IDEA has been great. You guys pay attention to the

little

details and this is just to say "Keep doing it guys!". I just recently
started using OSX and one of the main reasons that convinced me to

switch

was the fact that IDEA would run on OSX. Since I spend 90% off my
development time in IDEA I wasn't about to switch without knowing my
favortie IDE would be available. The fact that IDEA is starting to "fit"

in

with the rest of my desktop in terms of look and feel is a great PLUS!
Thanks!
>

Aye

>
>

>
>





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By the way, you might ask, why did I put navigation toolbar on the left, and
menu in the middle? Because I got used to left/right buttons being on the
left (though under the main menu, but on the left), and as I use mouse to
click them, I left them there. Contrary, I usually use Alt- to get to the main menu, so its position on the screen does not make much difference to me. Michael J. "Michael Jouravlev" ]]> wrote in message
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"Norris Shelton" <nshelton@appriss.com> wrote in message
news:bkcq6m$5a7$1@is.intellij.net...

I kind of like the idea of the smaller scrollbar, but the question is

why?

>

Does one more line of code make a difference?

>

One line here, one line there... If space itself does not mean much to

you,

then at least this "more space for code" approach shows that team did
everything and not only in the core classes, but in the UI as well; shows
the desire, the passion for perfection :) Don't you like these nice

touches,

which cannot be noticed by everyone, but you see them and appreciate them?
;)

>

Then, this is the code editor, after all. "More space for code" seems
reasonable to me.

>

Do you have a small monitor?

>

I hope that not all the companies out there think Microsoft way: "oh, it
would not work well on 386/4mb. -- Who cares, when we release it,

everybody

would have 32mb of ram" :) I do not like extensive development. Also,

unlike

ram size, the monitors are more limited in their growth. I have 17'' and I
am pretty happy with the size. I worked with 18 and 19 inch monitors and I
think it is the largest I can handle. I tried 21'' and could not use it at
all. I sit rather close to the monitor, and I barely can fit the whole
screen in my sights without tilting and rotating my head, or scanning the
screen left-right. I do not need bigger screen, I want my current screen

to

fit as much as it designed for.

>

My IE window (attached) has only one tool line, combining menu, toolbar

with

small icons, and address field. No fancy "Go" button or "Links" or other
add-on toolbars. Clean, simple, spacious. You see what design I am in

favor

of :)

>

Maybe you should get a bigger monitor? My 21" has lots of real estate.
;- )

>

Nah, do not want to. I do not need SUV, I am pretty happy with my Corolla,
so to speak :)

>

Michael J.

>

>

"Michael Jouravlev" <mikus@mail.ru> wrote in message
news:bkcmqo$bl7$1@is.intellij.net...

EAP builds get prettier icons, but have the same clunky dialog window
design, as well as inconsistent (to my taste) window handling. Well, I
understand, that graphics designer does not program in Swing, nor

he/she

should be a UI/usability specialist, but still, I would rather prefer

more

usable dialogs, than pretty icons.

>

Also, I would prefer IDEA to use the screen space more rationally, see

my

CR

here: http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=16325

>

Just changing the icons, shades and all these color and transparency

effects

makes me recall the old feeling of using the same old Win 3.1, dressed

up

with CTL3D or BWCC.

>

Just a rant ;)

>

Yep, new icons are nice :)

>

Michael J.

>

"Aye Thu" <thua@usa.redcross.org> wrote in message
news:20091501.1063808160455.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

To intellij folks,
This is nothing build # specific but the ongoing changes on the

overall

look and feel of IDEA has been great. You guys pay attention to the

little

details and this is just to say "Keep doing it guys!". I just recently
started using OSX and one of the main reasons that convinced me to

switch

was the fact that IDEA would run on OSX. Since I spend 90% off my
development time in IDEA I wasn't about to switch without knowing my
favortie IDE would be available. The fact that IDEA is starting to

"fit"

in

with the rest of my desktop in terms of look and feel is a great PLUS!
Thanks!
>

Aye

>
>

>
>

>
>
>


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Does one more line of code make a difference? Do you have a small monitor?


If you'll look around, you'll notice more and more people are using
laptops as development HW. Yes, the screen estate is VERY critical
for some.

r.

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"Richard Nemec" <rndzank@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Does one more line of code make a difference? Do you have a small

monitor?
>

If you'll look around, you'll notice more and more people are using
laptops as development HW. Yes, the screen estate is VERY critical
for some.


Yep, I have 17-inch at work, and a laptop with 14-inch screen at home and
during my business trips. And I am not ready to throw it out yet ;)


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Personally I don not like scrollbar merged into tool window stripe. It
very inconvenient because it makes scrolling difficult. Scrollbar is not
tool bar in IE, it two different things.

Regards,
Vladimir Kondratyev
_____________________
JetBrains

Michael Jouravlev wrote:

EAP builds get prettier icons, but have the same clunky dialog window
design, as well as inconsistent (to my taste) window handling. Well, I
understand, that graphics designer does not program in Swing, nor he/she
should be a UI/usability specialist, but still, I would rather prefer more
usable dialogs, than pretty icons.

Also, I would prefer IDEA to use the screen space more rationally, see my CR
here: http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=16325

Just changing the icons, shades and all these color and transparency effects
makes me recall the old feeling of using the same old Win 3.1, dressed up
with CTL3D or BWCC.

Just a rant ;)

Yep, new icons are nice :)

Michael J.

"Aye Thu" <thua@usa.redcross.org> wrote in message
news:20091501.1063808160455.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

>>To intellij folks,
>>This is nothing build # specific but the ongoing changes on the overall


look and feel of IDEA has been great. You guys pay attention to the little
details and this is just to say "Keep doing it guys!". I just recently
started using OSX and one of the main reasons that convinced me to switch
was the fact that IDEA would run on OSX. Since I spend 90% off my
development time in IDEA I wasn't about to switch without knowing my
favortie IDE would be available. The fact that IDEA is starting to "fit" in
with the rest of my desktop in terms of look and feel is a great PLUS!
Thanks!

>>Aye



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Whatever you say, you're the boss :) But I always liked it. And I do not
need to scroll a lot horisontally, nor I need high precision when scrolling
horizontally.

Michael J.

"Vladimir Kondratyev (JetBrains)" <vova@intellij.net> wrote in message
news:bkeb24$ii6$1@is.intellij.net...

Personally I don not like scrollbar merged into tool window stripe. It
very inconvenient because it makes scrolling difficult. Scrollbar is not
tool bar in IE, it two different things.

>

Regards,
Vladimir Kondratyev
_____________________
JetBrains

>

Michael Jouravlev wrote:

EAP builds get prettier icons, but have the same clunky dialog window
design, as well as inconsistent (to my taste) window handling. Well, I
understand, that graphics designer does not program in Swing, nor he/she
should be a UI/usability specialist, but still, I would rather prefer

more

usable dialogs, than pretty icons.

>

Also, I would prefer IDEA to use the screen space more rationally, see

my CR

here: http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=16325

>

Just changing the icons, shades and all these color and transparency

effects

makes me recall the old feeling of using the same old Win 3.1, dressed

up

with CTL3D or BWCC.

>

Just a rant ;)

>

Yep, new icons are nice :)

>

Michael J.

>

"Aye Thu" <thua@usa.redcross.org> wrote in message
news:20091501.1063808160455.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

>
>>To intellij folks,
>>This is nothing build # specific but the ongoing changes on the overall
>

look and feel of IDEA has been great. You guys pay attention to the

little

details and this is just to say "Keep doing it guys!". I just recently
started using OSX and one of the main reasons that convinced me to

switch

was the fact that IDEA would run on OSX. Since I spend 90% off my
development time in IDEA I wasn't about to switch without knowing my
favortie IDE would be available. The fact that IDEA is starting to "fit"

in

with the rest of my desktop in terms of look and feel is a great PLUS!
Thanks!

>
>>Aye
>
>
>

>


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