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Kudos JetBrains for the nice and promising Gui Builder !

Guillaume Laforge


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Nice comment, thanks.

Just to make sure that I understand this correctly: The GUI-Builder is mainly a layout tool that allows laying out components visually without messing around with the source code. The behaviour of the components has to be set the good old way. Events are not touched by the GUI builder. Am I right here?

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Events are not touched by the GUI builder. Am I right here?


At least yet. :)


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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:56:33 +0400, Mike Aizatsky wrote:

>> Events are not touched by the GUI builder. Am I right here?


At least yet. :)


As Mike says - not yet. I hope they make use of Action (inner) classes
and not just ActionListeners. There also didn't seem to be a menu
builder. BUt I havn't looked that deeply yet.

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Sorry, but I can't agree. The GUI designer looks like a simple clone
of existing ones to me. No intellijent new ideas -- except the
debatable byte code modifications.

The most serious disadvantage I see is inflexibility. You seem not to
be able to use component factories. It obviously would require to put
the components you want to use in the component bar, ...

OK, IDEA now has an GUI builder, so reviewers will not be able to make
the absense of an GUI builder to a negative argument any more. But how
productive you will be with such a GUI builder in a non-prototyping
real-world application, is very questionable for me.

Tom

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I think it already has a few advantages over other GUI builders I've used.
In my experiments with it, I've found laying out components to be much
easier than with JBuilder (for example). There are plenty of rough edges
too: it's impossible to set a border on a JLabel, for example. But I have
hope that the rough edges will be ironed out over the course of the EAP
process and we'll be left with a great tool. I think that's pretty much what
Guillaume was saying too: while it's not there yet, it's showing signs of
promise.

It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be much integration with the
rest of IDEA yet. A few things I'd like to see:

  • A class chooser dialog for selecting the bound class or, even better,

classname completion as in the Go To Class dialog (SCR #13531).

  • Drop-downs for selecting variables to bind parts of the GUI to, plus

creation of variables in the bound class when a new variable name is given
for the binding. (SCR #13532).

Cheerio,
Vil.

Thomas Singer wrote:

Sorry, but I can't agree. The GUI designer looks like a simple clone
of existing ones to me. No intellijent new ideas -- except the
debatable byte code modifications.


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I think that's pretty much what
Guillaume was saying too: while it's not there yet, it's showing signs of
promise.


Especially when we keep in my mind that the 4.0 release will not be there
before months, so they have a lot of time to improve their Gui builder !

It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be much integration with the
rest of IDEA yet. A few things I'd like to see:

  • A class chooser dialog for selecting the bound class or, even better,

classname completion as in the Go To Class dialog (SCR #13531).

  • Drop-downs for selecting variables to bind parts of the GUI to, plus

creation of variables in the bound class when a new variable name is

given

for the binding. (SCR #13532).


Nice ideas I'm going to vote for these ;)

Guillaume


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>> I think that's pretty much what
>> Guillaume was saying too: while it's not there yet, it's showing signs of
>> promise.
>
>Especially when we keep in my mind that the 4.0 release will not be there
>before months, so they have a lot of time to improve their Gui builder !

Looks like your wish was father to the thought.

Tom

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:06:01 +0200, Thomas Singer wrote:

The most serious disadvantage I see is inflexibility. You seem not to be
able to use component factories. It obviously would require to put the
components you want to use in the component bar, ...


I'm sure that will come - what we're seeing is only the second public
appearnace of the GUI designerl, its still very early in design, which I'm
glad of, I'd hate to see it magically appear all finnished, and just like
the others.


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