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why do you change the look&feel of a component two times?

- you change the look&feel of the progressBar in #813 and #815. in my opinion the best look of the progressBar was in #813
- you change the look&feel of the "statusBar" in #815 and #816. in my opinion the best look of the "statusBar" was in #815

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In general something might be changed in multiple builds, because this is an EAP and noone (not even JetBrains coders :) can always get it right on the first iteration.

Specifically, I disagree: Both the progress bar and the status bar look much better now and also match the overall LAF better.
Off course if you like gradients, colors for decoration, bold fonts, ... for my part I like the GUI plain and informative rather than ummm say, varied and decorative.

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for my part I like the GUI plain and informative rather than ummm say, varied and decorative.


that's right, but look at the new toolWindows: they look better, that's right, but the allocate space. and the font in the Project-toolWindow has a bigger size: the store a lot of space in comparison to 3.0.4...

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Was the 815 status bar the gradient filled one?

I hated that.

I think 816, status bar and everything else, looks really nice though.

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Was the 815 status bar the gradient filled one?


yes

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I hated that.


why? looks nearly similar like the status bar now!

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why do you change the look&feel of a component two times?


The play with new ideas. If we scream "Arggh, go away!" they will change it
later ;)

- you change the look&feel of the progressBar in #813 and #815. in my
opinion the best look of the progressBar was in #813


I think, it looks better now (>= 815).

- you change the look&feel of the "statusBar" in #815 and #816. in my
opinion the best look of the "statusBar" was in #815


The status bar looks now ways better than in 815.

Tom

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Was the 815 status bar the gradient filled one?

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I hated that.


Me too. I prefer a flat surface and only a very few 3d-effects.

BTW, IDEA should not look "cool" (like Windows XP's teletubby-candy-look),
instead it should look solid and professional. This implies, form
(=design) follows function.

Tom

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Thomas,

There is some debate about how these two important qualities are ranked in
in the HCI industry. You are under estimating the power of attraction.
"Attractive things work better" not because they do but because ....

http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/Norman-EmotionAndDesign-InteractionsMag.pdf

When I worked for Borland nobody within the JBuilder team would listen to my
suggestions about giving the product a makeover and some intelligence, ;-).
It was probably because I was with the enterprise business unit team and
they thought I knew nothing about UI development. Wrong.

That said I believe what makes me love IntelliJ is that not only is she
attractive, but she clever and anticipates my needs and makes me
comfortable. What more could I man ask for.....

Regards,

William Louth
JDBInsight Product Architect
www.jInspired.com


"Thomas Singer" <thomas.singer@noregnisspam.de> wrote in message
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Was the 815 status bar the gradient filled one?

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I hated that.

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Me too. I prefer a flat surface and only a very few 3d-effects.

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BTW, IDEA should not look "cool" (like Windows XP's teletubby-candy-look),
instead it should look solid and professional. This implies, form
(=design) follows function.

>

Tom

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William,

I never said, an application should only have functionality and may look
ugly. There are too much ugly JAVA (and VB, Delphi, ...) applications
available. It's just the opposite.

I just wanted to express my preferences for a simple-and-slick GUI over a
full-color-saturated teletubby look. I only know of one guy, who knows how
to create perfect-looking JAVA applications: Karsten Lentzsch. For more
information I recommend everyone who is interested taking a look at his
applications and demos, that are available at http://www.jgoodies.com/.

Cheers,
Tom

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Thomas Singer <thomas.singer@noregnisspam.de> wrote:

Karsten Lentzsch. For more
information I recommend everyone who is interested taking a look at his
applications and demos, that are available at http://www.jgoodies.com/.


Secretly, I was hoping that Intellij would hire him for the integration
of his layout managers into the IDEA GUI builder. You never know...

Dirk Dittert

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I really like the simplicity in the L&F.

Things I would change:
1. The Run/Debug configuration should be a pull down (combo box) and not a
button, as in the Windows L&F it doesn't look like what I would expect.
2. Memory meter should be light blue, not fancy like it is today (which
makes the text hard to read).
3. I think that the new look of panel labels (Find, Run, Commander, ...)
takes too much space and is cluttered. I would prefer it without the frame.
4. Switching between panels seems to take too long because of unnecessary
refreshes. Example: Switch between the Project and Structure panels. What
happens is a total update of the UI (e.g. toolbar button disable/enable
status) when one panel disapears, even though it will immediately happen
again because of the new panel appearing.

Otherwise I think JetBrains are doing a pretty good job in real estate
management.

Amnon

"Michael Seele" <mseele@guh-software.de> wrote in message
news:27149871.1053687912369.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

why do you change the look&feel of a component two times?

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- you change the look&feel of the progressBar in #813 and #815. in my

opinion the best look of the progressBar was in #813

- you change the look&feel of the "statusBar" in #815 and #816. in my

opinion the best look of the "statusBar" was in #815


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I guess this is all a matter of taste but here are my comments:

Amnon I. Govrin wrote:

I really like the simplicity in the L&F.

Things I would change:
1. The Run/Debug configuration should be a pull down (combo box) and not a
button, as in the Windows L&F it doesn't look like what I would expect.


Agreed.

2. Memory meter should be light blue, not fancy like it is today (which
makes the text hard to read).


Agreed.

3. I think that the new look of panel labels (Find, Run, Commander, ...)
takes too much space and is cluttered. I would prefer it without the frame.


I actually like the current panel labels because it is much easier to
find the panel you want and I can clearly see label boundaries.

4. Switching between panels seems to take too long because of unnecessary
refreshes. Example: Switch between the Project and Structure panels. What
happens is a total update of the UI (e.g. toolbar button disable/enable
status) when one panel disapears, even though it will immediately happen
again because of the new panel appearing.


Can't comment on this one. I didn't notice that.


Otherwise I think JetBrains are doing a pretty good job in real estate
management.


Besides some occasional quirks in CVS dialogs IDEA has a very
professional look and feel.

/kesh

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On Fri, 23 May 2003 14:58:09 -0400, Dirk Dittert wrote:

Secretly, I was hoping that Intellij would hire him for the integration of
his layout managers into the IDEA GUI builder. You never know...


Definitely - his new Forms framework/lib project looks really nice -
havn't yet tried it thou.

--
...turn to the light - don't be frightened by the shadows it creates,
...turn to the light - turning away could be a terrible mistake
...dream theater - the great debate


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I used the combined 'project' and 'structure' pane, so I never have to
switch between them.

"Amnon I. Govrin" <agovrin@freshwater.com> wrote in message
news:bam58u$p5u$1@is.intellij.net...

I really like the simplicity in the L&F.

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Things I would change:
1. The Run/Debug configuration should be a pull down (combo box) and not a
button, as in the Windows L&F it doesn't look like what I would expect.
2. Memory meter should be light blue, not fancy like it is today (which
makes the text hard to read).
3. I think that the new look of panel labels (Find, Run, Commander, ...)
takes too much space and is cluttered. I would prefer it without the

frame.

4. Switching between panels seems to take too long because of unnecessary
refreshes. Example: Switch between the Project and Structure panels. What
happens is a total update of the UI (e.g. toolbar button disable/enable
status) when one panel disapears, even though it will immediately happen
again because of the new panel appearing.

>

Otherwise I think JetBrains are doing a pretty good job in real estate
management.

>

Amnon

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"Michael Seele" <mseele@guh-software.de> wrote in message
news:27149871.1053687912369.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

why do you change the look&feel of a component two times?

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- you change the look&feel of the progressBar in #813 and #815. in my

opinion the best look of the progressBar was in #813

- you change the look&feel of the "statusBar" in #815 and #816. in my

opinion the best look of the "statusBar" was in #815

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