Eclipse and JBuilder much better than IDEA

... at least in the preliminary results of the Java Developers Journal Readers' Choice Awards (Best Java IDE Environment):
http://www.sys-con.com/java/readerschoice2003/index.cfm

If you really haven't yet casted your vote, go ahead and give IDEA the ranking it deserves.
It's nominated in
- Best Java IDE Environment
- Most Innovative Java Product
- Best Java Application

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Stephen Kelvin wrote:

.. at least in the preliminary results of the Java Developers Journal Readers' Choice Awards (Best Java IDE Environment):
http://www.sys-con.com/java/readerschoice2003/index.cfm


Aren't these awards rather meaningless? How can people vote for the
best IDE when most of us have only tried one or two of them? I've used
JBuilder and Visual Caf? several years ago, for example. IDEA is much
better than what I remember from those IDEs, but I can't say that I can
make an intelligent comparison between IDEA and the current versions
of those products. As for Eclipse, I've only seen screenshots and heard
what other users think, and the same goes for most of the other
products. That's not much to base an award on.

It seems to me that the only thing you can see in those awards is which
product has the largest number of reasonably satisfied customers.

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A year ago Oracle products gathered a lot of awards, even "the best testing tool" was JDeveloper, not JUnit!
Today I do not take part in such polls and do not read the results. IMHO they reflect only a number of employees in the company, not the quality of a product.

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I agree. Those awards only show how much users use a tool. How much
JBuilder users have used IDEA? How much Xxx users even have the choice for
using any other IDE?

I think, we know, what our IDEA is good for, we have used other IDE's
before. Nothing to worry about with IDEA not being the "winner". For us,
IDEA is the winner and we'll show /our/ competitors, that we are better
because of using IDEA.

Tom

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Exactly.

People generally vote for and advocate what they've got - it's a comfort factor.

And then this usually sparks pointless jihad like C# vs Java, IDEA vs Eclipse, JBoss vs Weblogic, Microsoft vs Everyone Else - the sort of thing that incidentally, imho, has ruined theserverside.com.

Such a poll isn't going to suddenly make any of us stop using IDEA and start using Eclipse is it.

You can't argue that it's not good PR if you win though.

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Off course, if you are a developer with some experience you won't give a damn. (E.g. ArgoUml is one of the best profiling and testing tools, according to the polls - but has nothing whatsoever to do with either testing or profiling, it's an UML modeling tool.)

Still it's a marketing plus that helps if I have to convince a manager to adopt IDEA for corporate use.

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Some polls even force you to select a tool in a category you don't can
judge. I'm doing client side developing and therefore cannot judge about
application servers, for instance. So, you'll take something, you at least
have heard about.

BTW, who can really judge in each category? I believe, nobody (beside the
fact, that you should know all tools in the category to give a right
answer).

Tom

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Exactly!!!
Interesting that in this poll JBuilder raises from ~700 to ~1700 voices only last week.

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How is possible to compare WL to Intellij??? WL is the second BTW

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"Vladimir Goncharov" <vladimir.goncharov@citigroup.com> wrote in message
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How is possible to compare WL to Intellij??? WL is the second BTW


EXACTLY! This is why the JDJ stuff is so lame. Ok you get some name
recognition, free advertising, but how the heck do you compare an IDE, which
in my opinion is a real java application, to WebLogic which is a java
application server... unless you count their admin interface as a java
app... and it sucks in that regard compared to IDEA.

Go figure, but hey if they can nail this one, who cares right???

R


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Right. This is what makes these polls rather useless.

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Agreed with everything said in this thread.
That's why I won't vote and I won't even look at the results, as they are meaningless.
Dan/

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Microsoft might want to win in this category by promoting Notepad and asking all of its employees to vote for that. Did you know that Notepad is the best Java IDE? :)

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Gosh, I really never should have started this thread :)
It keeps popping up again and again...
I totally agree that these kind of polls are meaningless.
However in this imperfect world the result is taken seriously by people that are uninformed, but still are are the ones that make such a strategic decision as to decide on an IDE for a company/department.

After all I do not vote to convince myself that IDEA is good, but to convince others. So it's irrelevant that I know that the result is meaningless, but what matters is if the result will influence others.

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This is a poll to find the most popular tools, not to find the best tools. And it shows that IntelliJ could use some more marketing in order to make their amazing tool more widely known.

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Shhh...
I like the fact the Idea is not that popular.. It's always funny to see other people (in rival companies) struggle with other tools.

It must be like hundreds of times, that I've thought: 'geez, I could have done that with IDEA already'

So let's not be too loudmouthed about IDEA's supremacy ;)

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Why? We, who have found IDEA and are using it, have an advantage over our
competitors, that use other IDEs. I think, keeping their disadvantage is a
good thing :)

Tom

On Thu, 22 May 2003 18:09:24 +0000 (UTC), Jan B?senberg
<jiveadmin@jetbrains.com> wrote:

This is a poll to find the most popular tools, not to find the best
tools. And it shows that IntelliJ could use some more marketing in order
to make their amazing tool more widely known.

>


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on the other hand, the more people that use Idea, the more that are going to
pay for it ... therefore the more money for intellij and the more funding
for future development.

With a product like this - its quite clear where the drive is, and the
financial support must be there to back its development

I see the point in keeping it quiet - but Im a great fan of out stripping
your competitors by producing better code rather than simply being able to
code faster ;)


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