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Dylan, I filed the issue as a bug:
http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=13&thread=22876

and it's still in Open not fixed, I doubt it's going to work, but if it does be sure to let us know right away!

Thanks
R

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On windows you might hit
ctrl+c for copy, whereas on the Mac you hit
command+c. It doesn't make one or the other better
or worse, it just makes it different... thanks to the
lamers at Microsoft who could not, and still don't,
stick to standards (and I say that because the Mac OS
came out before Windows 3.0... so no flame wars
there).


Good answer but the last paragraph raises a couple of minor questions...
Was there a standard for keyboard shortcuts that Microsoft should might have stick to (or are we just talking about common practice on some systems)?
Why is version 3 being chosen as the benchmark to establish the Mac OS precidence (and hence, by implication, the right to impose a keyboard standard on other operating systems)?

Vince.

PS I know this is coming close to Apple v. MS ping-pong but it's not my intention.

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Hey, this boat is getting pretty crowded! (I am in it too).

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And another one is joining you guys =)
Same problem here. The confusing thing is that german keyboard layout seems to work with standard Swing widgets (for example JTextAea) and Aqua L&F (at least since DP10).

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Count me in as well,

Since DP10 and Ariadna 693 IDEA looks pretty good on Mac.
I've discovered that alt + ctrl + 8 prints the curly braces on a german layout keyboard.
However, the ENTER/RETURN-problem is really a shame...
I've just tried the pre-release of codegard (topaz) and the ENTER-key isn't working there as well - seems like a bug in the DP10 to me.....

Christian

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I meant "Guideguide" not Codegard ;)

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I don't have the "enter" key problem. I downloaded and installed DP10 and 693 yesterday.

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How is that possible? You're the ONLY ONE without this problem, can you give us your computer's configuration? As in OS X version, the hardware you're on and the java -version results from the command line.

R

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I am on MacOSX now, too. How do you code if the curly braces do not work? Is there a workaround except not using the German keyboard layout? Currently I am using 2.6 (because there seems to be no easy way to deinstall DP10).

Any Hints appreciated!

Dirk

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Hi,
As stated above, I discovered the possibility to write curly braces using the combination alt + ctrl + 8 for the opening-brace and alt + ctrl + 9 for the closing brace.
However, this is pretty useless, unless the RETURN/ENTER-keys start working again.....

Christian

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java -version:
java version "1.4.1-beta"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.1-beta-21)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.1_01_beta-10, mixed mode)

PowerBook G4/400, Mac OS X 10.2.3

I can write codes with IDEA and found no problems with the "enter" key.
Do I misunderstand you guys' talking?

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Chung-Kai,

You telling me that if you write a line of code and press return you get a new line?

That's pretty amazing considering you're the only one who can do it.

R

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If all you folks are not on the Java-Seed list you should be. Someone just posted a patch to the return key problem. Because of NDA issues it can't be posted here. So if you're not on there, get on there and get your hands on it. With the patch IDEA smokes! It's pretty awesome to work with, even with the little quirks.

R

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As I understand it, access to the seed mailing lists or the seeding program requires a ADC select membership. At $500, I'll wait for the next DP :)

That is unless you're referring to another mailing list? I looked on java-dev and there was nothing mentioned there.

-David

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no no no. http://connect.apple.com/ register there, it's free, the DP is NOT for select membership but to anyone who signs up. The seed list info is IN the DP ReadMe and all that is required is that you register, therefore accepting the NDA, and downloading the DP, read the readme, and then you can sign up to the list.

The patch works perfectly.

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Christian Schwanke wrote:

Since DP10 and Ariadna 693 IDEA looks pretty good on Mac.
I've discovered that alt + ctrl + 8 prints the curly braces on a german
layout keyboard.
However, the ENTER/RETURN-problem is really a shame...
I've just tried the pre-release of codegard (topaz) and the ENTER-key
isn't working there as well - seems like a bug in the DP10 to me.....


What about all the other special German characters? And -- what is even more
important -- how would I install DP 10 so that I can deinstall it as soon
as the final version is out? If that is not possible I'll just try to make
2.6 work on MacOS X.

Is there a way to make {} work in 2.6 on a German keyboard layout? The
person responsible for this bug should be fired and then doomed to write
code with a German keyboard layout until hell freezes over... *)

Best regards,

Dirk Dittert

-


*) and: all code has to be written with the maximum amount of curly braces
possible

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Robert S. Sfeir wrote:

If all you folks are not on the Java-Seed list you should be.


I am. But I do not think it is a very good idea to complain too much about
that problem -- some people already seem to be quite pisssed with all the
IDEA people coming over and complaining about their IDE.

Best regards,

Dirk Dittert

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A big thanks to Robert for posting about the fix on the Apple java-seed mailing list. IntelliJ and DP10 ... so happy together. I can finally ... return ... to my IDE ;)

I would reiterate Robert's call for others to join the java-seed mailing list (instructions for subscribing are in the Readme.html that is included with DP10) and to keep filing those bug reports with Apple.

Thanks again.

-David

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I'm not suggesting complaining about things, I am suggesting you get on there and be sure you stay up to the latest information. The complain stuff is over with. I got emails from Apple and they got the message. Something tells me it's not gonna happen again where IDEA gets ignored... by Apple at least.

It IS important to be on there to know which bugs are and are not being reported, and I just felt there were way too many people on here who were not on the seed list and didn't know what was going on in the bug reporting world of the DPs.

R

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Yes, I do get the new line, or it is impossible to write any code.

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It's probably a stupid question, but since the java-seed-list has no archive, is there a possibility to get the hands on the patch mentioned above ?
I'm subscribed to the list now, but I don't know how to get to the patch - any help is appreciated,

thanx,

christian

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Christian, you should just post a message to the seed list and ask for it. I believe Patrick will send it to you off the list. I can't discuss it or do it from here because a) it's not my patch, and b) we're under NDA and shouldn't be doing it out of respect for Apple and IntelliJ.

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Robert,
Would you mind telling me Patrick's e-mail address?
Or any kind soul may put that patch in intellij.org after acquiring Patrick's permission? Thanks in deed.

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It's not that I don't want to help, but the patch is under NDA. I can't even discuss what it does and what to do with it on here. It would also be inappropriate for me to post someone else's email address too.

Join the seed list and ask the question, it's free and that way it's legal.

R

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In article <23929720.1044818313001.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net>,
"Robert S. Sfeir" <robert@sfeir.net> wrote:

It's not that I don't want to help, but the patch is under NDA. I can't even
discuss what it does and what to do with it on here. It would also be
inappropriate for me to post someone else's email address too.

Join the seed list and ask the question, it's free and that way it's legal.


Aactually, to avoid having us IDEA folks further clutter the newsgroup,
I asked Patrick for permission to post his patch, and he agreed.
So here it is:

Make a copy of
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Libraries/
libawt.jnilib, open it with HexEdit.

Search for the last occurrence of the hex string:

2c03000a

and replace it with

2c030000

This simply changes a comparison of r3 against 0xA (a '\n' character) to
a comparison against 0.

dylan

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I don't think you are using DP10.

DP10 should give the foll. info

......(build 1.4.1-24)
and ......(build 1.4.1_01-12, mixed mode)


rgds
shalil





"Chung-Kai Chen" <ckchen@pllab.cs.nthu.edu.tw> wrote in message
news:30652173.1044726728979.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...
| java -version:
| java version "1.4.1-beta"
| Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.1-beta-21)
| Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.1_01_beta-10, mixed mode)
|
| PowerBook G4/400, Mac OS X 10.2.3
|
| I can write codes with IDEA and found no problems with the "enter" key.
| Do I misunderstand you guys' talking?



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You can also use the same free account to get other developer-related downloads, like the most recent Dev Tools.

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In article <23214077.1044736806658.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net>,
David Czarnecki <jiveadmin@jetbrains.com> wrote:

As I understand it, access to the seed mailing lists or the seeding program
requires a ADC select membership. At $500, I'll wait for the next DP :)


Not true. Most Apple seeds do require such a membership, but the Java
seed list does not. To get on it, all you need to do is download the
DP10 seed.

Releasing seeds this widely and often is a bit unusual for Apple, and I
am hoping they decide it was a successful experiment.

Scott

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Anyone else notice that after "the patch" that CTRL+SPACE for code completion does not work?

You take some and lose some I guess.

-David

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Yup, I noticed the same problem. It looks like the control key is being ignored when pressed in concert with the space bar. With any other key, IDEA 693/ 1.4.1 DP10 Patched can see it just fine. I've redefined it to "alt-space" for now.

I guess we know what Apple was trying to make work when they broke the enter key...

-jon

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