when do you post the feature list for aurora in the eap???

hi,
when do you post the feature list for aurora in the eap?

thanks
michael

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After 2 months most probably.


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The "2 months" seem to become a flying word. If always is answered
"this will be in 2 months", I guess, we never will see anything.

Just my two EUR-cents.

Tom

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Jeeez... Can't u wait for 2 months !!


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Jeeez... Can't u wait for 2 months !!

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Exactly.. I could even wait for more then 2 or 3 months to see new
implemented features. The tracker has so many bugs that need to be cleared
out, before they start a new project. I just counted and found that there
are around 560 pending bugs. And out of 560 bugs, only 96 bugs that have
been assigned for Aurora. And the remaining 464 bugs are just floating. So
if they don't fix them now, when will they fix them. They need time for it.
They just released IDEA 3.01. So use that for the time being. Don't just act
like a kid and shout "FEATURE" "FEATURE" "FEATURE" !!!! Implementing
features is not an easy task. There are so many things that have to be
considered at architecture level when doing it. I hope u realize that new
features mean new bugs, and some bugs can be extremely critical !! Moreover
sometimes fixing one bug gives birth to another bug.

Don't u want something stabe ???????? Just cool down and let them clear all
the remaining bugs before they start the new project.


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I mean stable.. sorry for the spelling mistake.


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I completely agree. I think some users just want to get the free licenses so they can keep working with IDEA for free, and until the new EAP starts there won't be a new license.

Patience, and for those who don't have a license, spend $300.00 for crying out loud it's not THAT BAD, I'm sure you can deprive yourself of a couple of Star Wars or Lord of The Rings memorabilia and / or special edition DVD and hit that mark in 2 months time. :)

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i have spend exactly $399,00 for the license of IDEA!!!!!! i only wanted to know when they post the feature list for aurora and i needn't this insinuation because my question.

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I agree with you, but just wanted to express my concern about the "2
months", that seems to be always the answer for all questions, no
matter, whether they was asked one month ago or yesterday.

Personally I would prefer faster release cycles than the last EAP
process (e.g. a lot of companies only purchase full releases, not beta
versions, no matter how good they are). Maybe a good and round 3.5 in
a few months would be better than a 4.0 in one year?

Tom

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Personally I would prefer faster release cycles than
the last EAP


Didn't you think the last release cycle was fast enough. New versions and with both bug fixes and added functionality appeared on an almost daily basis. If they upped the ante any further, I'd be spending more time downloading new versions than actually using them!

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Hi Vincent,

I meant the whole EAP process of version 3. It took around 11 months.

Maybe the next release within 5 or 6 months and fewer features (than
in version 3) would be better?

Cheers,
Tom

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I would rather have longer release cycles and more features. This is mostly because I pay for intellij out of my own pocket and can't afford to spend $400 every 5-6 months for a major upgrade.

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Don't worry Tom,

I'm one person (and would appear to be the only person) who understood your
comment. An estimate where everything is always "in 2 months" becomes an
unreliable estimate causing us to lose confidence in the planning and
softare project management skills of the developers.

I personally would prefer a loose but valid estimate like "later in the
year" to a tight but invalid estimate as we would appear to receive.

Ian



"Thomas Singer" <idea@regnis.de> wrote in message
news:3df06f17.4161373@news.intellij.net...

I agree with you, but just wanted to express my concern about the "2
months", that seems to be always the answer for all questions, no
matter, whether they was asked one month ago or yesterday.

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Personally I would prefer faster release cycles than the last EAP
process (e.g. a lot of companies only purchase full releases, not beta
versions, no matter how good they are). Maybe a good and round 3.5 in
a few months would be better than a 4.0 in one year?

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Tom

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Fewer features hopefully would result in a smaller upgrade price which in
the end would be about the same ($400 for everything vs $200 first 1/2 than
$200 second 1.2). From a JetBrains it means they get their investment back
earlier. From our point of view we get faster release quality products.
Look at the time it took to correct all the bugs.
We have ~200 java developers in my company, I cannot control which version
all of them use=>problem with standard configuration, plugin maintenance...
What I would really like is what was proposed in an old thread: the EAP
itself would change gear on a regular basis (I will call them Iteration
;) ): 1month -> new features, 1week -> bug fixes only, 1month-> new
features, 1week... That way we can regularly, almost every month, get a
build that is more stable (will call it EXTRA_STABLE), that risk adverse or
very busy people can upgrade to. Wouldn't this be the middle ground
solution: JetBrains doesn't have to spend 2 months every 6 months to
stabilize and we still get a very stable EAP with the new features much
earlier than every 12 months.

Jacques


"charles decroes" <charles@decroes.com> wrote in message
news:2378642.1039179203686.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

I would rather have longer release cycles and more features. This is

mostly because I pay for intellij out of my own pocket and can't afford to
spend $400 every 5-6 months for a major upgrade.


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I personally can't believe we're stitting here discussing how IntelliJ SHOULD run their business because it's convenient to us or because we just don't like how they chose to run it. Folks ever try this on Oracle or Microsoft? I know IntelliJ is not as big, nevertheless it's still a company, for which none of us work or direct, where we need to simply take the fact that we bought the product because we liked it, and we liked it because of how they work and how they write their code, and how they design. It was a choice to buy a product based on how they like to operate in the first place. let them do what they do, and if their answer is in 2 months then so be it. Deal with it. It's not like you don't have a running version of the software you paid for. We all want new features, we'll get them when they're ready to give them to us. God only know they always go out of their way to ask us what we think, now we're taking that and telling them we don't like how things are run. Apply for a job and work with them if you don't like it and want to change it.

Just my 2c.

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I would agree with Tom's observation. A 6 month release cycle with relatively fewer new features (but enough to boost productivity by few notches!) will result in a consistent and expectable pattern of product evolution and gives confidence in the product and company.

This will also give the IntelliJ team enough time to reduce the number of open issues over all (both old and new) and will result in a better performing and stable product.

I have paid for IntelliJ from my own pocket and hence has a vested interested in seeing them grow and develop.

From my own experience in managing technical projects, longer release cycles most often fall prey to scope creep or are the result of tryng to take a bigger bite than necessary.

Just my two cents..

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How about giving free stock instead of free licenses?? That way we can say we are part of their investors and hence justified in airing our views on how things are run.. right?

Just kidding!!!

Cheers,
Chandra

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HAHA! There you go. "Hey I have 50 shares (out of 30 million, with 5 million outstanding) and darn it, I want you to have a better development cycle, don't use the 2 months statement ever again, you will do what I want or I will sell my shares!"

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chandra kuchibhotla wrote:

.. A 6 month release cycle with relatively fewer new features

> (but enough to boost productivity by few notches!) will result
> in a consistent and expectable pattern of product evolution and
> gives confidence in the product and company.

I know a team of enthusiast java programmers who are not sure how to
face and convince their department manager to approve the upgrade to
3.0. Even knowing they are 100% right, and the impressive "what's new in
3.0" doesn't make them feel comfortable about starting this battle.

The thought of having to come back and beg every 6 months would make
them shiver.

Alain Ravet

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Well said Robert. "Try this on Oracle and Microsoft.", and infact maybe u
have to wait for 2 months to get a reply.



"Robert S. Sfeir" <sfeir@mail.nih.gov> wrote in message
news:527169.1039183698992.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...
I personally can't believe we're stitting here discussing how IntelliJ
SHOULD run their business because it's convenient to us or because we just
don't like how they chose to run it. Folks ever try this on Oracle or
Microsoft? I know IntelliJ is not as big, nevertheless it's still a
company, for which none of us work or direct, where we need to simply take
the fact that we bought the product because we liked it, and we liked it
because of how they work and how they write their code, and how they design.
It was a choice to buy a product based on how they like to operate in the
first place. let them do what they do, and if their answer is in 2 months
then so be it. Deal with it. It's not like you don't have a running
version of the software you paid for. We all want new features, we'll get
them when they're ready to give them to us. God only know they always go
out of their way to ask us what we think, now we're taking that and telling
them we don't like how things are run. Apply for a job and work with them
if you don't like it and want to change it.

Just my 2c.


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"Saumendra Poddar" <greencap@hotmail.com> a ?crit dans le message de news:
asqg2a$uhj$1@is.intellij.net...

Well said Robert. "Try this on Oracle and Microsoft.", and infact maybe u
have to wait for 2 months to get a reply.

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...if you ever get a reply !
(and if ever you don't have to pay for it !)

Guillaume



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