OSX, again

DP5 of JDK 1.4.1 for OSX has idea performing much better. For one thing, it runs out of the box unmodified. I realise that many of the bugs are issues with the JDK itself, however, it really would be nice if the intellij folks could at least give us any kind of status update. At the time we were told that 3.0 will be backported, that doesn't look like it's happening. So I assume the goal will be to get it to work with 1.4.1 on OSX. Now, my question is, will this happen after 1.4.1 final is released, or would you guys prefer it if we provided feedback and filed bugs against the DP's? Some of the bugs I'm positive will be due to IDEA code, and not the JDK's fault. Some examples:

- idea.sh should set popup weight to medium if it detects darwin

- apple/meta key no longer works, I suspect IDEA can do something to fix this

- hitting enter in the ctrl-N popup doesn't select the selected class and dismiss the popup, clicking on it does though.

There are a bunch of other issues, and I'd like to know if I should file them or not.

Looking forward to an official response,

Hani

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Not a reply as such, I just wanted to chime in so that you guys know that Hani is not the only MacOS X guy left around here.

And since I saw Valentin (?) post to the mrj-list regarding the CEventQueue issue I do have certain hopes.

BTW, slightly off-topic: if you get messages after installing 1.4.1DP5 that "sharing is disabled" due to inconsistencies with shared libs you should reboot your computer.

Regards,
Marc Wirth

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I am running Apple's DP5 and agree that the last Idea build I had (666) ran great. However, when I downloaded 675 the dialog box that pops up to create a new project grows horizontally without bound. I had to use Apple's force quit. I don't know if the problem is Apple's or IntelliJ's but I ran both builds on Apple's DP5 with different results.

D

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Yeah I'll add my voice to this too. I can of course get IDEA to hand fairly predictably, and would like to know if we can file bugs yet or not, since I know the hangs are on IDEA's side and not the JDK.

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Yep, using IDEA on OSX too. I still have my OSX environment using 2.6, but am getting very accustomed to IDEA3 on Windows.

I hope Apple keeps the iterations coming. The last one was just 2 weeks. I'd really like to move to IDEA3 on OSX.

A little guidance as to posting bugs on IDEA on the new OSX JDK DPs would be helpful.

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Same here, MacOS X support is strongly anticipated!

The most annoying bug for me is the broken support for international keyboards (see bug 2661 which I filed a while ago).

Timo

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Same for me: I would really like to see continued support for Mac OS X.

Regardin support for international keyboards: It seems as if CodeGuide (http://www.omnicore.com/) can do it. So even if this is a problem in the JDK, it seems possible to circumvent.

Regards,
Wolfram.

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Is it just me, or am I hearing nothing but cricket sounds every time we ask about OS X? Come on, it's not that hard to take a stance one way or the other. Is there a surprise brewing? (bad or good)

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One more vote for Idea on OSX. Two votes, if you count my co-worker who's too busy to post around here. We're anxiously awaiting some news. Good luck, guys.

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Sounds like you're having better luck than me -- I can't even get the "File" menu to stay open.

It would certainly be nice to hear whether OS X will be supported....

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Yeah you try to startup CodeGuide with DP5 1.4.1? it just HANGS! At Least IDEA comes up and is somewhat usable.

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Philip, edit the idea.sh file and change heavy to medium on the menu setting. It will come up fine.

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I would also like to chime in and add a +1 to support for OS X. I have installed Java 2 SDK 1.4.1 dp5 under OS X and I actually found that dp2 was better. Go figure.

In any event, I've only tried the basic functionality, but I have run into some of the issues already reported.

1. The new project dialog that initially displays expands without bound. You can kill it by closing the dialog, but this is just plain wrong.

2. Ant integration, even if I use a target JDK of 1.3.1, is abysmal and does not work. This pretty much negates any use of IDEA under OS X, IMHO.

3. UI issues ... There are too many to list here.

I realize that many of these issues are probably the result of the 1.4.1 preview being sorely inadequate for production software use, but then as a developer, I have come to rely on all of the features available after IDEA 2.5.

In any event, as my employer has paid good $'s towards IDEA and I constantly try to throw business your way by converting the non-believers out there :), I must express my disgust. There is a genuine need to run IDEA 3.0 under OS X.

However small in number we may be, we are out there ... waiting.

<star-wars-episode-4>Help us JetBrains ... you're our only hope<star-wars-episode-4>

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I've been using IDEA for last month and I've been really impressed. I'd like to purchase it, but as I have only OS X at home, I can't justify right now. I'll add my voice for OS X support.

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JetBrain people, please do release IDEA 3 for MacOS X as soon as possible, thanks! - Another waiting MacOS X registered user here -

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I know, but this is just the preview release (as the name implies: DP5). I do not expect any problems with the release version of 1.4 (which is overdue for sure).

Regards,
Wolfram.

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No, the release version WILL have problems, much like the release version of 1.3.1 had problems until people reported them and the intellij folks addressed them. It's a sad fact of life that with any GUI stuff, there are minor (but potentially very significant) differences in implementation and mapping of the API onto native behaviour. So while many of the issues are the fault of the JDK, some are due to IDEA itself.

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OK, 'no problems' sounds more like a wish than a real expectation ;)

I just tried to run Idea 3 with the DP5 Preview. It does start up, but the menues are unusable (they just flash and disappear), leaving the following message at the console:

kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSAddWindowToWindowOrderingGroup: Invalid window

I have to admit, that I pursuaded Idea to run just by creating a link to java in the jre/bin subdirectory of its installation directory. Any suggestions welcome.

Regards,
Wolfram.

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I'm sure they're working on it... but just in case... don't forget to vote!

http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=6409

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I have done that -- and this used to work for me on earlier pre-release builds, but not on this one :(.

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Bizarre, works here... but IDE crashes so it's kinda useless :)

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No, it's not just you. IntelliJ continues to ignore the requests and posts of their OS X users. At this point, I'd be just as satisified if they said, "No. We will never support OS X." Atleast then I would know.

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Hani,

or would you guys prefer it if we provided feedback and filed bugs against

the DP's?

Please fill SCRs.

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Mike Aizatsky.
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Eric,

No, it's not just you. IntelliJ continues to ignore the requests and

posts of their OS X users

Which SCRs exactly do we ignore?

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Best regards,
Mike Aizatsky.
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JetBrains, Inc / IntelliJ Software
http://www.intellij.com
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For those of you that have IDEA running on OSX, I have a question. I am running DP5 of JDK1.4.1 and am able to start IDEA, but how do I specify my Target JDK? Do I need to create a disk structure similar to what is expected on Windows/Linux filled with symbolic links? Or is there a better way.

Thanks!

Todd

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For the target JDK, you'll need to select the proper home directory for IDEA to find the Java runtime. Example:

/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Home/

However, the Apple VM is packaged a little differently than the Windows and UNIX SDKs in that you'll need to later add the JARs in /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Classes to the CLASSPATH tab for the target runtime.

In any event, IDEA is still unusable (even though it starts) using the Java 2 SDK 1.4.1 previews from Apple.

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I'll be another "Me too". Currently I'm using OS X 10.1, but will buy Jaguar just to run IDEA 3 when I read something other than doom and gloom on this forum. Please fix it for 10.2, or backport!

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I don't know if anyone noticed but there was a tracker issue for OS X that was moved to Obsolete this AM, with a note stating to try OS X with DP 6 and upcoming 685 build. Looks like the IntelliJ folks are starting to rock on OS X.

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I would agree. I think the only other issues (that I've found) are:

1. Heavyweight menus - However, this is a noted issues in the release notes for the developer preview.

2. Font settings - Under Options | IDE Settings | Appearance, be sure that you change the font to something other than .Keyboard or else you will get boxes all over the screen where text is displayed.

3. Macintosh JRE Packaging - The Macintosh JDK is packaged differently than the Windows and UNIX versions. That means a little extra configuration on your part to add the JAR files under the /Classes directory because IDEA doesn't look for them in that directory when running under OS X.

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The heavyweight issue is fixed in build 685, apparently. Also fixed is the new project window growing indefinitely bug. OSX development by the intellij folks looks like it's picking up again, hooray!

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Hani, where are you getting the list of fixes from? I only knew of one because I had submitted a bug, and the search for fixes doesn't seem to be returning a list of OS X fixes.

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