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http://jroller.com/page/gfx?entry=eclipse

Even more interesting is one of his comments:
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I actually used IDEA for a month this summer and I went back to Eclipse. I was using IDEA 4 so maybe
5 is much better. I had two problems: first at this time the licence pricing was too high for me,
second is there a real time compiler as in Eclipse now?
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Interesting :). He's working for SUN(Swing team) now, and I didn't knew that SUN has such
great financial problems that even an IntelliJ license is too "high" :).

Maybe if the Swing team would use entirely IntelliJ there wouldn't be so many bugs in Swing :).
It's interesting to run the inspections over a project made from Swing sources :) - SUN should
really buy some IntelliJ licenses :).

Ahmed.

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Hello Tom,

T> http://jroller.com/page/gfx?entry=eclipse

We're already working on that. :)

--
Dmitry Jemerov
Software Developer
JetBrains, Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


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Actually, I did not have enough money :) When I tried to switch to IDEA, I just arrived at Sun (I'm an intern) and my only income was the one of a student, so yes, the licence was a bit too much.

That said, thanks to JetBrains, I have now access to IntelliJ IDEA and I already started migrating my projects from Eclipse. I have been using IntelliJ all day and so far I love it (especially because I managed to make it run on Mustang and see subpixel antialiasing almost everywhere :). I already ran into an annoying bug but I understand why nobody noticed it before. I also have some usability concerns but they are fairly minor and I will send as much feedback as possible to JetBrains.

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Hello, Romain,
thank you for the good words, and we are looking forward to your feedback.

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BTW, there is at least one known problem with running IDEA on Mustang: scrolling in the editor with mouse wheel is way not smooth (I'm trying Mustang build 68). I guess it may be JDK problem, isn't it?

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Welcome, Romain!

Romain Guy wrote:

Actually, I did not have enough money :) When I tried to switch to IDEA, I just arrived at Sun (I'm an intern) and my only income was the one of a student, so yes, the licence was a bit too much.

That said, thanks to JetBrains, I have now access to IntelliJ IDEA and I already started migrating my projects from Eclipse. I have been using IntelliJ all day and so far I love it (especially because I managed to make it run on Mustang and see subpixel antialiasing almost everywhere :). I already ran into an annoying bug but I understand why nobody noticed it before. I also have some usability concerns but they are fairly minor and I will send as much feedback as possible to JetBrains.

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Actually the scrolling is weird, yes. I deactivated the "smooth scrolling" feature because I usually dislike that. But when I use the mouse wheel I indeed experience some funky scrolling. It goes away after some time though. I'm not sure whether it's a bug in the JDK or not but if it is, the JetBrains team can just file an bug fix and send me an email, we'll try to fix that. I've never seen that in any other application and I use Mustang as my main JVM since last May.

I know that using daily builds of Mustang might reveal incorrect behaviors that are not JetBrains' fault but the antialiasing is very much needed for me :)

The bug I found is much more annoying though. My dual screen is set up vertically: the second screen is on top of the main one. In this configuration, IDEA wrongly sizes some dialogs, namely the CVS compare dialogs. Their intial size is the size of both my screen combined, and they are displayed on the main screen. So I end up with a dialog of 1600 pixels wide and 2360 pixels heigh on my main screen which has a resolution of 1280x960.

Anyway I'll file a bug report for that. I also found some minor quirks like the top level menus being slow to show up, but that might be due to the JDK, I don't know.

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Actually, I did not have enough money :) When I tried to switch to IDEA,
I just arrived at Sun (I'm an intern) and my only income was the one of a
student, so yes, the licence was a bit too much.

Sorry, didn't knew that :( (I remember now too, how it was to be a student).

Somehow I supposed you were for ages at SUN :),
and SUN could(if they wanted) offer every wished infrastructure
to their teams just to make them as productive as possible :), but
because of "political" reasons is not doing it.

That said, thanks to JetBrains, I have now access to IntelliJ IDEA
and I already started migrating my projects from Eclipse.

That's fantastic. Glad to hear that. I'm convinced your talent will
come better into practice if the IDE does everything an IDE can do, so that
the developer can concentrate on the "creative" part of programming :).

I also have some usability concerns ...

One thing that helped me allot was to print that keymap PDF and have it near the monitor :).
After a short period of time, my productivity increased in a fantastic way as I didn't had to
use(mostly) the mouse or to think what shortcut to use: it's the same difference like
switching from typing with 2 fingers to fully 10 finger typing :).

Also it might help to make a dummy project to test all the refactorings/inspections/etc. and learn
what they can do. After knowing them ,one is much much more efficient cause while working on a real
project(when deadlines are pressure), one can't always "experiment" to see if/how they work.

Of course, Jetbrains could also deliver such a "dummy project" associated with a tutorial/feature
presentation so that the user can try them right away without too much effort. It would be nice
to have one project for all (most used and important)features, and announce it also on javalobby and
theserverside so that everyone can hear about it and give it a try.

Ahmed.

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>Sorry, didn't knew that :( (I remember now too, how it
>was to be a student).

No harm done :)

>After a short period of time, my productivity increased
>in a fantastic way as I didn't had to

Actually it took me only a few minutes to figure out I would develop very quickly with IntelliJ. It's just the productivity gain will not be that huge coming from Eclipse. The main difficulty coming from Eclipse is to learn the various shortcuts that Eclipse merges into one. For instance Ctrl+Space in Eclipse does everything the four Code Complete shortcuts of IDEA do. I like both approaches and I think IDEA's must work better. I just need to start learning when to use which shortcut ;)

>Also it might help to make a dummy project to test all
>the refactorings/inspections/etc. and learn
>what they can do.

I am already quite confident in using the refactorings and inspections which are very similar to those found in NetBeans and Eclipse. So far I didn't have any problem using them.

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You know, as a student, you can pick up an IDEA license for much cheaper
(99 USD) ... or, are you talking about this 99 USD price? Just curious ...

David

Hello Romain,

Actually, I did not have enough money :) When I tried to switch to
IDEA, I just arrived at Sun (I'm an intern) and my only income was the
one of a student, so yes, the licence was a bit too much.

That said, thanks to JetBrains, I have now access to IntelliJ IDEA and
I already started migrating my projects from Eclipse. I have been
using IntelliJ all day and so far I love it (especially because I
managed to make it run on Mustang and see subpixel antialiasing almost
everywhere :). I already ran into an annoying bug but I understand why
nobody noticed it before. I also have some usability concerns but they
are fairly minor and I will send as much feedback as possible to
JetBrains.



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He wouldn't be allowed to use that at Sun, right?

David Stennett (JetBrains) wrote:

You know, as a student, you can pick up an IDEA license for much cheaper
(99 USD) ... or, are you talking about this 99 USD price? Just curious ...

David

Hello Romain,

>> Actually, I did not have enough money :) When I tried to switch to
>> IDEA, I just arrived at Sun (I'm an intern) and my only income was the
>> one of a student, so yes, the licence was a bit too much.
>>
>> That said, thanks to JetBrains, I have now access to IntelliJ IDEA and
>> I already started migrating my projects from Eclipse. I have been
>> using IntelliJ all day and so far I love it (especially because I
>> managed to make it run on Mustang and see subpixel antialiasing almost
>> everywhere :). I already ran into an annoying bug but I understand why
>> nobody noticed it before. I also have some usability concerns but they
>> are fairly minor and I will send as much feedback as possible to
>> JetBrains.
>>


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Hello Keith,

Good point, I think the license agreement is for non-commerical use. But
if the internship is required for school, you can probably sneak it under
the license :) Read the agreement, though, for details ...

Best,

David

He wouldn't be allowed to use that at Sun, right?

David Stennett (JetBrains) wrote:

>> You know, as a student, you can pick up an IDEA license for much
>> cheaper (99 USD) ... or, are you talking about this 99 USD price?
>> Just curious ...
>>
>> David
>>
>> Hello Romain,
>>
>>> Actually, I did not have enough money :) When I tried to switch to
>>> IDEA, I just arrived at Sun (I'm an intern) and my only income was
>>> the one of a student, so yes, the licence was a bit too much.
>>>
>>> That said, thanks to JetBrains, I have now access to IntelliJ IDEA
>>> and I already started migrating my projects from Eclipse. I have
>>> been using IntelliJ all day and so far I love it (especially because
>>> I managed to make it run on Mustang and see subpixel antialiasing
>>> almost everywhere :). I already ran into an annoying bug but I
>>> understand why nobody noticed it before. I also have some usability
>>> concerns but they are fairly minor and I will send as much feedback
>>> as possible to JetBrains.
>>>


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How did you make Idea run on Mustang?

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I got it:

I added this line
'-Didea.no.jdk.check=true'

in file idea.exe.vmoptions.

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How do you get IntelliJ 5.x to use any other VM but the one that ships
with it?

Thanks

-Pete

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Edit bin/idea.properties and add idea.no.jdk.check=true at the end. Then open idea.bat and add the line SET JDK_HOME=%JAVA_HOME% where JAVA_HOME is your Java home directory. Finally, just run idea.bat. You can get rid of the shell window by looking for SET JAVA_EXE and changing it to: SET JAVA_EXE=start %IDEA_JDK%\jre\bin\javaw.exe

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