[EVALUATION] - E07 - JetBrains, CEO, Team

I've detected the major problems of the IntelliJ IDEA.

The company seems to be a small one, CEO centered - and I doubt that
they can keep up with development, especially as they do not use in any
way open-source contribution mechanics (e.g. for lower-grade subsystems).

The reaction on a job application (cooperation as an independent) which
i've placed over 2 weeks ago (I'm aware about holidays) remained
unprocessed - which is a very ungentle behaviour.

[job application and some examples mailed to job@jetbrains, CEO, and
Rob.Harwood, thus my suggestions get "employee-level visibility"]

The CEO of jetBraims seems to be a core-developer. This cannot work, as
the CEO needs to have a clear brain (without any coding activity traps)
to plan, overview and direct the company.

At this point, the CEO should have already reacted to my messages and to
the content of this thread, possibly with a suggestion like "free my
mind thus I can focus on development".

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The response within JetBrains on feedback is minimal or zero, which
indicates a low evolution speed.

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I'm not sure if I'll start development with IDEA or if I move on to the
last remaining IDE:

the borland one (don't even know the name).

I'm preconceived, due to worse experiences with C++ Builder. OOAD was
not engouraged by this tool.

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Will see.

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Ahahaha!

Apologies to everyone for not jumping in on this (I usually just monitor the EAP forums), but my oh my, where does one start!

Ilias, I have some tips for you that you should try to incorporate into your master plan. The first and foremost of which to use correct English. Now, I know it isn't your first language and all, but you know what? It's not mine either. However, it's still fairly easy not to mix up your with you're, and not to spell program and programm. Writing broken English is a lot more likely to reveal that you're a brain damaged turd than if you were to be more coherent, and your trolling would rise to the next level.

Secondly, why don't you just bugger off and use JBuilder? How much clearer should it be to you that your presence here is not wanted, needed, or appreciated? I'm sure if jetbrains (or eclipse, or any other entity) needed help running their core business, you'd be last on the list based on your ideas and opinions which have more in common with a crack addled whore's notions of how to run a business than anyone passing third grade.

Did it ever occur to you that any sane company would go out of its way to avoid responding to you, given that you're so clearly the result of an inbreeding generic experiment gone horribly wrong?

Even worse for you, reality seems to be against you too, and regularly spits in your face by making these companies successful, well run, and well appreciated by the 'community'.

On the bright side, your animal cunning does help explain away every reality based fact by insisting that 'eventually' you'll be proven right. Sadly though, with people like you, evolution does not exist, only eternal hope and faith in the power of tomorrow. You're probably surprised day by day at the sun rising, but hold out in hope that your 'there is no sun' theory will finally bear fruit out day, it's just a matter of time eh?

If you have children, please smother them, you'd be doing them and us a huge favour. If you have parents, neuter them, that genetic line is a dead end anyway.

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Hani Suleiman wrote:

Ahahaha!

(comments)

I've overflown the comments and detected some negative wording, thus I
do not read them.

Sorry for not commenting.

If you have children, please smother them, you'd be doing them and us
a huge favour. If you have parents, neuter them, that genetic line is
a dead end anyway.


You should keep relatives out of the discussions.

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If you like to 'discuss' my person further, please use the E05 thread.

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=121764&tstart=15&trange=15

Thank you.

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Hani,

I am like most here and want nothing more than for Ilias to go away. But
what sort of human being says such sick and offensive things like "If you
have children, please smother them", to another human being? I normally find
your posts extremely entertaining and often have great respect for what you
have to say. In fact the larger proportion of your tirades are not only
valid but effective in turning the tide of popular opinion towards what you
believe in.

The content of this most recent diatribe, on the other hand, was completely
unjustified and in truth lacked the level of maturity associated with
someone older than the age of ten? When cries went out for you to interject
on this thread and put a stop to the obscure rants of our good friend Ilias,
I had high hopes for an intelligent, yet scathing response that would
hopefully send him scurrying back to the darkened troll cave from whence he
came. But I have to say I was disappointed and saddened by the degree to
which you lowered yourself in order to get a cheap laugh? It was out of
character (from the little bit I know about your character through reading
these forums and your bile blog) and I would have expected better from an
adult?

Please stop to think before spilling such pointless and offensive crud onto
the forum in future? It makes us all look very small...

Scott


>"Hani Suleiman" <hani@formicary.net> wrote in message
>news:24529012.1105805686457.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

Ahahaha!

>

Apologies to everyone for not jumping in on this (I usually just monitor
the EAP forums), but my oh my, where does one start!

>

Ilias, I have some tips for you that you should try to incorporate into
your master plan. The first and foremost of which to use correct English.
Now, I know it isn't your first language and all, but you know what? It's
not mine either. However, it's still fairly easy not to mix up your with
you're, and not to spell program and programm. Writing broken English is a
lot more likely to reveal that you're a brain damaged turd than if you
were to be more coherent, and your trolling would rise to the next level.

>

Secondly, why don't you just bugger off and use JBuilder? How much clearer
should it be to you that your presence here is not wanted, needed, or
appreciated? I'm sure if jetbrains (or eclipse, or any other entity)
needed help running their core business, you'd be last on the list based
on your ideas and opinions which have more in common with a crack addled
whore's notions of how to run a business than anyone passing third grade.

>

Did it ever occur to you that any sane company would go out of its way to
avoid responding to you, given that you're so clearly the result of an
inbreeding generic experiment gone horribly wrong?

>

Even worse for you, reality seems to be against you too, and regularly
spits in your face by making these companies successful, well run, and
well appreciated by the 'community'.

>

On the bright side, your animal cunning does help explain away every
reality based fact by insisting that 'eventually' you'll be proven right.
Sadly though, with people like you, evolution does not exist, only eternal
hope and faith in the power of tomorrow. You're probably surprised day by
day at the sun rising, but hold out in hope that your 'there is no sun'
theory will finally bear fruit out day, it's just a matter of time eh?

>

If you have children, please smother them, you'd be doing them and us a
huge favour. If you have parents, neuter them, that genetic line is a dead
end anyway.



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"Please stop to think before spilling such pointless and offensive crud onto
the forum in future? It makes us all look very small...

Scott"

Did we really need yet another post from someone that doesn't get out much? (Yes, I see the irony).

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"Yes, I see the irony"


hmmmm....


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FWIW (not much, since I'm new), I'm with Scott. Ilias is annoying as hell, but that post was totally uncalled for and in bad taste. I haven't been around long enough to read more of Hani's posts - as the first one that I've read, it makes him look like a child.

Let's face it, we don't need to bring Ilias' family into it, he provides plenty of material on his own.

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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

I've detected the major problems of the IntelliJ IDEA.

The company seems to be a small one, CEO centered - and I doubt that
they can keep up with development, especially as they do not use in any
way open-source contribution mechanics (e.g. for lower-grade subsystems).

The reaction on a job application (cooperation as an independent) which
i've placed over 2 weeks ago (I'm aware about holidays) remained
unprocessed - which is a very ungentle behaviour.

[job application and some examples mailed to job@jetbrains, CEO, and
Rob.Harwood, thus my suggestions get "employee-level visibility"]



Copy of job application

2004-12-25

"
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important

Information about me and my current situation:

- E07 - Sun Microsystems Talent Detection Mechanisms
http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=861153&listName=nbusers

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I've played with eclipse but I didn't managed to convince them.

[note: registration is necessary, to view eclipse archives:
http://dev.eclipse.org/newsManager/newsRequestForm.html ]

- Open Letter to Eclipse Foundation Board of Directors
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=100&group=eclipse.foundation

- Evaluation Summary: What is Eclipse NOT !
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=52&group=eclipse.foundation

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I've played with Sun Microsystems, but this company seems not to be what
it would like to be (extraordinarity).

- E10 - Summary: NetBeans is NOT open source, Sun is...
http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=867428&listName=nbusers

- E13 - "SPL + BCL = Open Source"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.softwaretools/browse_thread/thread/53f37b548c026b5b/d283ea13287d3508

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Handling live discussion within public media:

http://www.javalobby.org/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=16335&messageID=91821268&tstart=0

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Time is running away - and I need a task.

"Independent Efficiency Management"- applied to jetbrains.

I can evaluate anything, from your website to future development plans
(e.g. LOP).

Give me a chance with a small task (lige e.g.: 2 days, website
evaluation, context "newcomer disapointed from eclipse and netbeans").

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Find more information on my website.

[please apologize for my sterile tenor - i'm just exhausted after 4
months of eclipse/netbeans live-analysis]

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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Copy of job application

2004-12-25



2004-12-29 (followup message, contains stuff about jetbrains website)

"
so, after lurking a little around on your side, a few things about your
site.

you don't give the impression that you could give, because you look much
smaller

than you are.

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forums:

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=121126&message=3434819#3434819

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Main Page\

  • unserious impression, to much graphic

  • I don't see an serious IDE vendor

=> Focus on IDE
=> get layout & design impressions from 'big-looking' companies.

  • basic layout and organisation confusing

=> provide your main menue
=> provide standard navigation


http://www.jetbrains.com/products.html

  • top menue which appears here should be on main-page , too

  • Top section (white) should be inserted ind "jetBrains" section (blue)


http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

  • too much header (body starts too low)

  • "IntelliJ" is overloaded.

  • holiday-special becomes annoying

  • information overload

=> structure information

  • if navigation-speed is critical

=> provide active menues (standard-left-placed)


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Cannot extract what "IntelliJ" is.
Cannot extract what "A" in "IDEA" means.

Product naming switches between "IntelliJ IDEA" and "IDEA".

http://www.jetbrains.com/company/people/executives.html
If I remember right, together-Soft was sold for $200 Million to Borland,
which shows that the 3 executives came from an impressive company.
Should be stated somehow.

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I've overflown a LOP document, which sounds intresting.

I was confused that the CEO says thank you to an employee for doing his job.

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Suggestions:

Redesign Website

  • slightly modified design & layout

  • modularisation

  • reduced information


Evaluate/Correct Product-Definitions & Orientations (especially for
Fabrique and the LOP)

  • possibilities of Open-Source

  • Practical Definitions


this is especially true for "Fabrique" / "LOP", where my correcting
intervention can save you many efforts and costs.

I will rewrite the basic requirements expressed here:

- JAVA + NetBeans + ??? = easy & scalable production!
http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=848269&listName=nbusers

and can apply the directly to your products.

-

I can operate budget oriented.

You can say:
Ok, we release budget of X$ for the website redesign
suggestions/examples and a budget of X$ for the product-definition (I
make product evaluations/definitions mostly whilst analysing/writing
website content)

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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

>> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:


>> Copy of job application
>> 2004-12-25



2004-12-29 (followup message, contains stuff about jetbrains website)



2005-01-06 (resend of initial application, with additional remark)

[Resend: you should never let someone wait so long, especially when
you know that he's in the need of a task.]

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>>> Copy of job application
>>> 2004-12-25
>>
>>
>> 2004-12-29 (followup message, contains stuff about jetbrains website)



2005-01-06 (resend of initial application, with additional remark)

[Resend: you should never let someone wait so long, especially when
you know that he's in the need of a task.]


Rod Harwood answered a few hours later on the 2005-01-06 message,
justifying why i didn't get a response suggesting to move on if I need
urgently a task]

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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

>>>> Copy of job application
>>>> 2004-12-25
>>>
>>> 2004-12-29 (followup message, contains stuff about jetbrains website)
>>
>> 2005-01-06 (resend of initial application, with additional remark)
>> [Resend: you should never let someone wait so long, especially when
>> you know that he's in the need of a task.]


Rod Harwood answered a few hours later on the 2005-01-06 message,
justifying why i didn't get a response suggesting to move on if I need
urgently a task]


2005-01-19 (resend of initial application, with additional remark)

[I close this request here now. I like to tell you that your answering
behaviour on a job application is more that unprofessional. A really
unbelievalbe arrogance, which I would expect from large scale companies
where applications gets lost.]

-

Seems that JetBrains is not capable to detect.

Or they have no cash available.

Anyway, topic closed.

-

Remeber to respect the forum fellows: please use the E05 thread for
comments going off-topic or subjecting my person.

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=121764&tstart=15&trange=15

Thank you.

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Bye Bye

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

>>
>>
>>>>> Copy of job application
>>>>> 2004-12-25
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2004-12-29 (followup message, contains stuff about jetbrains website)
>>>
>>>
>>> 2005-01-06 (resend of initial application, with additional remark)
>>> [Resend: you should never let someone wait so long, especially when
>>> you know that he's in the need of a task.]
>>
>>
>> Rod Harwood answered a few hours later on the 2005-01-06 message,
>> justifying why i didn't get a response suggesting to move on if I need
>> urgently a task]


2005-01-19 (resend of initial application, with additional remark)

[I close this request here now. I like to tell you that your answering
behaviour on a job application is more that unprofessional. A really
unbelievalbe arrogance, which I would expect from large scale companies
where applications gets lost.]

-

Seems that JetBrains is not capable to detect.

Or they have no cash available.

Anyway, topic closed.

-

Remeber to respect the forum fellows: please use the E05 thread for
comments going off-topic or subjecting my person.

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=121764&tstart=15&trange=15


Thank you.

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education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary.
Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of
punishment and hope of reward after death."
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"Ilias Lazaridis" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
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Main Page\

  • unserious impression, to much graphic

  • I don't see an serious IDE vendor

=> Focus on IDE
=> get layout & design impressions from 'big-looking'

companies.

  • basic layout and organisation confusing

=> provide your main menue
=> provide standard navigation


I assume you mean main page of www.jetbrains.com
I like the style. "serious" usually means "boring". Their
site has one problem: it is not liquid. The good thing that
it is XHTML/CSS with no tables or frames, has variable
character size, uses CSS media attribute (try print
preview). Overall, I would say, very nice looking, well
implemented site along with current trends.

http://www.jetbrains.com/products.html

  • top menue which appears here should be on main-page ,

too

Did you see large blue blocks on the main page? They are
clickable ;) But I agree with you on that.

  • Top section (white) should be inserted ind "jetBrains"

section (blue)

Purely a design issue. Not your problem, neither mine.

http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

  • too much header (body starts too low)

  • "IntelliJ" is overloaded.

  • holiday-special becomes annoying

  • information overload

=> structure information

  • if navigation-speed is critical

=> provide active menues (standard-left-placed)


Subjective, > /dev/null .

Cannot extract what "IntelliJ" is.
Cannot extract what "A" in "IDEA" means.


Whos problem is that?

Product naming switches between "IntelliJ IDEA" and

"IDEA".

Ford Focus and Focus.

Suggestions:

>

Redesign Website

  • slightly modified design & layout

  • modularisation

  • reduced information


Subjective, > /dev/null

I will rewrite the basic requirements expressed here:

>

- JAVA + NetBeans + ??? = easy & scalable

production!
>
http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=848269&listName=nbusers
>

and can apply the directly to your products.

>

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>

I can operate budget oriented.


Ah, now we getting somewhere. You found the ilness and
selling a cure? How XIX century ;) I guess they do not need
your magic elixir :)

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with JetBrains.


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"Ilias Lazaridis" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
news:csm8og$4j7$1@is.intellij.net...

2005-01-19 (resend of initial application, with additional

remark)
>

[I close this request here now. I like to tell you that

your answering

behaviour on a job application is more that

unprofessional. A really

unbelievalbe arrogance, which I would expect from large

scale companies

where applications gets lost.]

>

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>

Seems that JetBrains is not capable to detect.

>

Or they have no cash available.

>

Anyway, topic closed.


ROTFL :))))


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Michael Jouravlev wrote:

"Ilias Lazaridis" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message


Ah, now we getting somewhere. You found the ilness and
selling a cure? How XIX century ;) I guess they do not need
your magic elixir :)


They need it [from me or from any other detail oriented person without a
coding activity-trap].

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with JetBrains.


[note: I've just publicized my job-application conversation, thus any
reader can evaluate if "silence" was an justified response.]

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I'm sorry but I wouldn't give you a job based upon that application, in fact because of all the links in it my spam defender would probably have blocked it before it even hit my inbox.

If you were intent on putting in an application it should have taken this format:

1 &gt; Brief covering letter (2-3 paras) saying what you would like to do and why you think you can make it worthwhile.

2 &gt; Attach a copy of your CV where you can include these links under evidence of previous work if you wanted to.

JetBrains probably get hundreds of applications since they are one of the most respected medium-sized technology companies in the industry. Your "application" was not properly structured and as such probably got lost in the crowd.

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Rob Bradley wrote:

JetBrains probably get hundreds of applications since they are one of
the most respected medium-sized technology companies in the industry.


They have lost my respect.

Your "application" was not properly structured and as such probably
got lost in the crowd.


I'm not intrested in an ordinary company which insists on 'properly
structured' applications.

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They have lost my respect.


I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

I'm not intrested in an ordinary company which insists on 'properly
structured' applications.


So why did you apply?

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I'm not intrested in an ordinary company which
insists on 'properly structured' applications.


Getting work can't be easy for somebody of your mindset.

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Rob Bradley wrote:
>>I'm not intrested in an ordinary company which
>>insists on 'properly structured' applications.


Getting work can't be easy for somebody of your mindset.


you are right.

It is very difficult.

But I'm sure i will shortly find the company (or the company me) which
is worth my loyality.

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It may be not software, but medical company.

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Dmitry Kashin wrote:

It may be not software, but medical company.


Don't worry.

I will not go nuts.

I'm highly immune against the irrationality within human populated
sofware development systems.

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I'm curious.

When was your last job?

I mean a job where you had to work with people ....

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Rayz wrote:

I'm curious.

When was your last job?
I mean a job where you had to work with people ....


I don't hide my failures:

http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html

I have interpersonal skills.

But not when i'm analyzing a domain



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I also found Hani's tirade amusing until the end. Poor taste completely. Hopefully he was only kidding and, either way, it doesn't come back to haunt him.

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>> I don't hide my failures: <<

That's very admirable.

>> I have interpersonal skills. <<

That's a matter of opinion.

>> But not when i'm analyzing a domain <<

That's when you need them most ....

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Rayz wrote:
>>>I don't hide my failures: <<


That's very admirable.


ok

>>>I have interpersonal skills. <<


That's a matter of opinion.


No, this is a simple fact.

>>>But not when i'm analyzing a domain <<


That's when you need them most ....


No, I do not need them.

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Remember, he's providing a valuable service - as an 'opinion inverter'.

If he likes something, be suspicious and investigate further before implementing or using.

If he dislikes something, put it at the top of your list to evaluate. It's likely to be quite useful.

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>>

That's a matter of opinion.


No, this is a simple fact. <<

There has been no evidence presented in this forum to back up this 'fact'; so I'm afraid it remains a matter of opinion ... yours.

>>
>>>But not when i'm analyzing a domain <<
>

That's when you need them most ....


No, I do not need them. <<

If that's what you believe, then good luck convincing JetBrains (or anyone else) to take you seriously.

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Rayz wrote:
>> That's a matter of opinion.


No, this is a simple fact. <<

There has been no evidence presented in this forum to back up this
'fact'; so I'm afraid it remains a matter of opinion ... yours.


faulty conclusion. [evidence within forum not neccessarily precondition
for existence.]

>>>> But not when i'm analyzing a domain <<
>>
>> That's when you need them most ....


No, I do not need them. <<

If that's what you believe, then good luck convincing JetBrains (or
anyone else) to take you seriously.


thank you.

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