[EVALUATION] - E04 - HTML WYSIWYG Editor

I would like to develope within one environment, thus I need an HTML
WYSIWYG Editor mode.

I've created an HTML page within IDEA [as the IDE works very intuitive,
I do not document the steps.]

But It seems there is no integrated HTML editor.

I've looked in the help and a little at plugins, but did not find something:

http://plugins.intellij.net/plugins/

How can I edit in an convenient way (WYSIWYG) my HTML pages within IDEA?

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IIRC, IDEA is a JAVA IDE, no Frontpage replacement. If you want to
develop web-applications, it might be worth waiting a little bit to
check out the new Jetbrains product "Fabrique".

Tom

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Thomas Singer (MoTJ) wrote:

IIRC, IDEA is a JAVA IDE, no Frontpage replacement. If you want to
develop web-applications, it might be worth waiting a little bit to
check out the new Jetbrains product "Fabrique".



>> How can I edit in an convenient way (WYSIWYG) my HTML pages within
>> IDEA?


I extract that your answer is:

"HTML/JSP WYSISYG editing is currently not possible within IDEA, neither
with build-in nor with plug-in functionality".

ok.

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Which is the suggested procedure to develope e.g. a simple web
application, e.g. with some HTML and some JSP?

Is there an tutorial available, e.g. of how to combine IDEA and Dreamweaver?

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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

How can I edit in an convenient way (WYSIWYG) my HTML pages within IDEA?


There is no WYSIWYG editor for HTML built into IDEA. As Thomas
mentioned, IDEA is focused as a Java IDE, and WYSIWYG HTML is more like
DreamWeaver's market. The next version of IDEA (codenamed Irida)
includes some extra support for HTML (and working on extra support for
CSS, XML, and JSP), but it is not WYSIWYG. Also, our upcoming project
Fabrique will have a WYSIWYG editor, but it is not strictly HTML, and it
is not yet close to production.

Probably your best solution would be to work in your favourite WYSIWYG
editor (perhaps DreamWeaver, or something open source if it exists), and
switch between it and IDEA as you need. IDEA is very smart about
synchronizing with files that are changed by external editors, and
automatically saves files when it loses focus, so in most cases, working
with external editors is quite easy and natural.

--
Rob Harwood
Software Developer
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Is there an tutorial available, e.g. of how to combine IDEA and
Dreamweaver?


I don't believe so, but the procedure in my recent post should probably
work with DreamWeaver. (I'm not 100% sure, since I haven't tried it
myself, but it usually works with most applications/editors; you may
have to be consistent about saving files in DreamWeaver, if it doesn't
automatically save them for you.)

--
Rob Harwood
Software Developer
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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I thought that Fabrique was going to be added as a module for IDEA. Has the plan changed?

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automatically saves files when it loses focus, so in
most cases, working
with external editors is quite easy and natural.


The System Tool plugin can also help. It provides a command line interface to send a file to be opened in IDEA.

And you can make very well defined external calls from IDEA that will for example open the currently selected or opened file into some other applicaiton.

Florian Hehlen

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Rayz wrote:

I thought that Fabrique was going to be added as a module for IDEA. Has the plan changed?


Yes, that is currently in progress (and nearly done, I believe).

Fabrique has its own file types. One is related to HTML, but is not
exactly HTML. You can possibly use it as a WYSIWYG HTML editor I suppose
(actually come to think of it, it would probably work), but it is
designed more for working with specialized controls defined by Fabrique
(and add-ons). So, I guess what I'm saying is that using Fabrique merely
as an HTML editor would be like going to a car mechanic to fix your bicycle.

Also, Fabrique is still in EAP, so I wouldn't suggest it for production
projects.

--
Rob Harwood
Software Developer
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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Rob Harwood (JetBrains) wrote:

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

>> Is there an tutorial available, e.g. of how to combine IDEA and
>> Dreamweaver?


I don't believe so, but the procedure in my recent post should probably
work with DreamWeaver. (I'm not 100% sure, since I haven't tried it
myself, but it usually works with most applications/editors; you may
have to be consistent about saving files in DreamWeaver, if it doesn't
automatically save them for you.)


I understand that I can cooperate with HTML editors on file level.

This is ok.

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[btw: Dreamweaver evaluation showed that the tool is not efficient
enouth. I will choose another one.]

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http://lazaridis.com

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Rob Harwood (JetBrains) wrote:

Rayz wrote:

>> I thought that Fabrique was going to be added as a module for IDEA.
>> Has the plan changed?


Yes, that is currently in progress (and nearly done, I believe).

Fabrique has its own file types. One is related to HTML, but is not
exactly HTML. You can possibly use it as a WYSIWYG HTML editor I suppose
(actually come to think of it, it would probably work), but it is
designed more for working with specialized controls defined by Fabrique
(and add-ons). So, I guess what I'm saying is that using Fabrique merely
as an HTML editor would be like going to a car mechanic to fix your
bicycle.


I sense that you make possibly some strategical mistakes with the
licensing/development model of Fabrique.

As commercial WebFrameworks are not on my evaluation list, I'll not go
deeper into this.

[Of course you can contact me privately for a commercial context
evaluation of Fabrique]

Also, Fabrique is still in EAP, so I wouldn't suggest it for production
projects.


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http://lazaridis.com

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Rob Harwood (JetBrains) wrote:

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

>> How can I edit in an convenient way (WYSIWYG) my HTML pages within IDEA?


There is no WYSIWYG editor for HTML built into IDEA. As Thomas
mentioned, IDEA is focused as a Java IDE, and WYSIWYG HTML is more like
DreamWeaver's market.


DreamWeaver seems to be a complex and complete tool for HTML.

The next version of IDEA (codenamed Irida)
includes some extra support for HTML (and working on extra support for
CSS, XML, and JSP), but it is not WYSIWYG.


ok

Also, our upcoming project
Fabrique will have a WYSIWYG editor, but it is not strictly HTML, and it
is not yet close to production.



Seeing the direction of eclipse and netbeans, you should rethink about
the priority of an html integration into IDEA.

IDEA should support full J2EE development, including HTML/JSP.

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Suggestion 1:

  • search for relevant open-source HTML editors

  • create an open-source project "IDEA HTML PlugIn"

  • adopt the open-source HTML editor


This would be the first step to come in touch with open-source.

The project could serve as a template for creation of new complex
open-source IDEA plug-ins.

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Suggestion 2:

IDEA has one benefit: it is clearly commercial.

It can use this advantage to license an HTML editor package and
integrate it into IDEA.

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http://lazaridis.com

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Hello Ilias,

IL> How can I edit in an convenient way (WYSIWYG) my HTML pages within
IL> IDEA?

You can edit HTML in IDEA as most conviniet way - DIRECTLY as text. Very
usefull and very flexible. And you will safe your worked and pretty pages
from dummies :)

Thanks!
--
Alexey Efimov, Java Developer
Tops BI
http://www.topsbi.ru

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[btw: Dreamweaver evaluation showed that the tool is not efficient
enouth. I will choose another one.]


Please let us know, what other tool you choose. Personally, I find
Dreamweaver very efficient and haven't found a better one yet.

Tom

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I sense that you make possibly some strategical mistakes with the
licensing/development model of Fabrique.

As commercial WebFrameworks are not on my evaluation list, I'll not go
deeper into this.


The framework will be open source, only the IDEA-plugin will be commercial.

Tom

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Thomas Singer (MoTJ) wrote:
>> [btw: Dreamweaver evaluation showed that the tool is not efficient
>> enouth. I will choose another one.]


Please let us know, what other tool you choose. Personally, I find
Dreamweaver very efficient and haven't found a better one yet.


ok, will do (if I find one).

I must clarify that my definition of "efficient" in context of the html
editor are currently very specific.

[Most things work very fine within the tool. I have problems with the
template and the library handling of dreamweaver. If anyone is intrested
in those things, please contact me via email].

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http://lazaridis.com

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How about make this discussions more IDEA related or move it to your personal site?
It's my personal opinion.

TIA,
Dmitry

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Thomas Singer (MoTJ) wrote:
>> I sense that you make possibly some strategical mistakes with the
>> licensing/development model of Fabrique.
>>
>> As commercial WebFrameworks are not on my evaluation list, I'll not go
>> deeper into this.


The framework will be open source, only the IDEA-plugin will be commercial.


intresting.

can you please provide a pointer?

The website did not mention "open source":

http://www.jetbrains.com/fabrique/

possibly it should be quasi-integral part of the name, somehow like
"Fabrique Open Source Web Framework".

Of course only if it's an OSI compliant license.

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http://lazaridis.com

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Dmitry Kashin wrote:

How about make this discussions more IDEA related or move it to your personal site?


The discussion are IDEA related.

I am focusing on weakness (like i did with eclipse/netbeans).

Many users will need an HTML WYSISYG editor.

If you rate fairly, you will see that I relay the discussion to personal
email, whenever things get off-topic.

But this takes sometimes one or two messages.

It's my personal opinion.


Why do you state this?

You don't seem to work for jetbrains:

http://www.jetbrains.com/company/people/team.html

TIA,
Dmitry


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http://lazaridis.com

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You can fill RFE or post idea for plugin but form of this discussion is very strange :) If you want to make constraints for developed IDE's you can add JCP for this.

But now it looks like community persuade you in IDEA perfectness. :)

TIA,
Dmitry

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Hello Ilias,

IL> The discussion are IDEA related.

Realy? It seems like a some spam about your site. I'm think that it not realy
about IDEA...

IL> I am focusing on weakness (like i did with eclipse/netbeans).

Who are say that it is 'weak'? Esclipse men? :)

IL> Many users will need an HTML WYSISYG editor.

This users called are designers and will work in some 'different' IDE...

>> It's my personal opinion.
IL> Why do you state this?
IL> You don't seem to work for jetbrains:
IL> http://www.jetbrains.com/company/people/team.html

You are URL-infected ... totaly...

So, i agree with Dmitry about this 'discussion', or moving it into your personal
site, or talk about some IDEA related areas. Not about 'weakless for designers'

Thanks!
--
Alexey Efimov, Java Developer
Tops BI
http://www.topsbi.ru

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