Community Book...

Since a few folks have mentioned the idea, maybe I will (or someone else can
by all means) lead the creation of a community book on IDEA 4.0?

The idea might be like this:

We compile a table of contents ... and then, memebers of the community
volunteer for the section they want to work on ... and would be assigned to
that task. Then, once we have all of the sections, we can put it together
... I will write intro / preface / edit / glossary / etc...

This sound like an idea? If yes, I will explore it further ... need to see
if there is interests first.

David

JetBrains, Inc.
"Develop with pleasure!"
www.intellij.com



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Hi,

Good idea, i guess! :) So, i have interest to convert it to some more
readable format
http://www.intellij.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IntelliJUIDesignerGuide

And also, i have interest to describe some parts of openapi, such as know
me.

Thank you!

"David Stennett" <david@intellij.com> wrote in message
news:bvlj71$j8u$1@is.intellij.net...

Since a few folks have mentioned the idea, maybe I will (or someone else

can

by all means) lead the creation of a community book on IDEA 4.0?

>

The idea might be like this:

>

We compile a table of contents ... and then, memebers of the community
volunteer for the section they want to work on ... and would be assigned

to

that task. Then, once we have all of the sections, we can put it together
... I will write intro / preface / edit / glossary / etc...

>

This sound like an idea? If yes, I will explore it further ... need to

see

if there is interests first.

>

David

>

JetBrains, Inc.
"Develop with pleasure!"
www.intellij.com

>
>


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I would be willing to pitch in for the webapp support. Robert Sfeir is
really "the man" for this part. I would have no problem being his lackey.
: )

--
Norris Shelton
Sun Certified Java Programmer


"David Stennett" <david@intellij.com> wrote in message
news:bvlj71$j8u$1@is.intellij.net...

Since a few folks have mentioned the idea, maybe I will (or someone else

can

by all means) lead the creation of a community book on IDEA 4.0?

>

The idea might be like this:

>

We compile a table of contents ... and then, memebers of the community
volunteer for the section they want to work on ... and would be assigned

to

that task. Then, once we have all of the sections, we can put it together
... I will write intro / preface / edit / glossary / etc...

>

This sound like an idea? If yes, I will explore it further ... need to

see

if there is interests first.

>

David

>

JetBrains, Inc.
"Develop with pleasure!"
www.intellij.com

>
>


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We compile a table of contents ... and then, memebers of the community
volunteer for the section they want to work on ... and would be assigned

to

that task. Then, once we have all of the sections, we can put it

together

... I will write intro / preface / edit / glossary / etc...

>

This sound like an idea? If yes, I will explore it further ... need to

see

if there is interests first.


This indeed sounds like a good idea.
Especially the part which will deal with the OpenAPI ;)

Guillaume Laforge


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In article <bvlj71$j8u$1@is.intellij.net>,
"David Stennett" <david@intellij.com> wrote:

Since a few folks have mentioned the idea, maybe I will (or someone else can
by all means) lead the creation of a community book on IDEA 4.0?

The idea might be like this:

We compile a table of contents ... and then, memebers of the community
volunteer for the section they want to work on ... and would be assigned to
that task. Then, once we have all of the sections, we can put it together
... I will write intro / preface / edit / glossary / etc...

This sound like an idea? If yes, I will explore it further ... need to see
if there is interests first.


Would people actually work on this for free? IDEA is a commercial
application after all. I can see "giving back to the community" for
something free like Ecplise, but for a commercial app?

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Maybe they could give a free license to some of the contributors. After
all, this should increase their customer base.

In the end, I don't care. I like using IDEA. Anything I can do to make
sure it stays around is worth it to me.

--
Norris Shelton
Sun Certified Java Programmer


"Erik Hanson" <ehanson-lists@eh.cdeh.org> wrote in message
news:ehanson-lists-667AFC.10114702022004@host98.intellij.net...

In article <bvlj71$j8u$1@is.intellij.net>,
"David Stennett" <david@intellij.com> wrote:

>

Since a few folks have mentioned the idea, maybe I will (or someone else

can

by all means) lead the creation of a community book on IDEA 4.0?

>

The idea might be like this:

>

We compile a table of contents ... and then, memebers of the community
volunteer for the section they want to work on ... and would be assigned

to

that task. Then, once we have all of the sections, we can put it

together

... I will write intro / preface / edit / glossary / etc...

>

This sound like an idea? If yes, I will explore it further ... need to

see

if there is interests first.

>

Would people actually work on this for free? IDEA is a commercial
application after all. I can see "giving back to the community" for
something free like Ecplise, but for a commercial app?



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If they pursued publishing it I'm sure your name would be on it as a co-author which is something nice to put on the old resume.

Anyway count me in.

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In article <ehanson-lists-667AFC.10114702022004@host98.intellij.net>,
Erik Hanson <ehanson-lists@eh.cdeh.org> wrote:

In article <bvlj71$j8u$1@is.intellij.net>,
"David Stennett" <david@intellij.com> wrote:

Since a few folks have mentioned the idea, maybe I will (or someone else can
by all means) lead the creation of a community book on IDEA 4.0?

The idea might be like this:

We compile a table of contents ... and then, memebers of the community
volunteer for the section they want to work on ... and would be assigned to
that task. Then, once we have all of the sections, we can put it together
... I will write intro / preface / edit / glossary / etc...

This sound like an idea? If yes, I will explore it further ... need to see
if there is interests first.


Would people actually work on this for free? IDEA is a commercial
application after all. I can see "giving back to the community" for
something free like Ecplise, but for a commercial app?


I suspect it depends on the rewards.

To put scope on what you get paid for actual books, read ORielly's web
site, but figure that an entire book is probably only going to net
30k-60k if it is a success, so writing a tenth of one is worth some
single digit integer of thousands of dollars. When I have done
technical edits, I got paid a buck a page.

Thus, this is what you are asknig people to give up. Free licenses are
near the compensation for tech edits, but actual chapters are a bit
more. That said, if being on the front page got me a new consulting gig
as an IDEA/Refactoring expert, it would be square in my book. (I am not
at that skill level yet, but there are people here who are.)

Scott
scott@alodar.com
Java, Cocoa, WebObjects and Database consulting

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wonderful idea,
please count me in would be glad to contribute and learn here..
cheers,
parthi.

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Well, unless you're planning to write your own book, you're not "giving up"
anything but time (which is worth something too).

Scott Ellsworth wrote:
>>
>>Would people actually work on this for free? IDEA is a commercial
>>application after all. I can see "giving back to the community" for
>>something free like Ecplise, but for a commercial app?


I suspect it depends on the rewards.

To put scope on what you get paid for actual books, read ORielly's web
site, but figure that an entire book is probably only going to net
30k-60k if it is a success, so writing a tenth of one is worth some
single digit integer of thousands of dollars. When I have done
technical edits, I got paid a buck a page.

Thus, this is what you are asknig people to give up. Free licenses are
near the compensation for tech edits, but actual chapters are a bit
more. That said, if being on the front page got me a new consulting gig
as an IDEA/Refactoring expert, it would be square in my book. (I am not
at that skill level yet, but there are people here who are.)

Scott
scott@alodar.com
Java, Cocoa, WebObjects and Database consulting


--

Erb

==============================================================
"Most of you are familiar with the virtues of a programmer.
There are three, of course: laziness, impatience, and hubris."
- Larry Wall
==============================================================

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Whilst I don't see myself as nearly the expert some of the other forum members are on this I'd be happy to contibute if you would like me to.

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Once 4.0 has been launched, I will compile a list of possible topics, and
depending on what people in here (newsgrups) say they'd contribute to, we
will try to put together a tentative schedule of topics and authors ...

It's not in my power to say whether or not you will get anything from
helping .... but I will gurantee that you'd be a co-author if your work
consists of more than a few comments ... which, for whatever it may be worth
to you, might look good on some CV/Resume or simply give you a sense of
personal gratification. I most defintaely would lobby hard to get free IDEA
licenses to those who do extensive work....

We'll see ... this isn't something that will happen in the next week, but if
people show interest, I'm willing to do the work (even outside of work) to
organize it.

David

JetBrains, Inc.
"Develop with pleasure!"
www.intellij.net




"David Stennett" <david@intellij.com> wrote in message
news:bvlj71$j8u$1@is.intellij.net...

Since a few folks have mentioned the idea, maybe I will (or someone else

can

by all means) lead the creation of a community book on IDEA 4.0?

>

The idea might be like this:

>

We compile a table of contents ... and then, memebers of the community
volunteer for the section they want to work on ... and would be assigned

to

that task. Then, once we have all of the sections, we can put it together
... I will write intro / preface / edit / glossary / etc...

>

This sound like an idea? If yes, I will explore it further ... need to

see

if there is interests first.

>

David

>

JetBrains, Inc.
"Develop with pleasure!"
www.intellij.com

>
>


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Whoohoo!

"Make it so."

--
Norris Shelton
Sun Certified Java Programmer


"David Stennett" <david@intellij.com> wrote in message
news:bvnvgo$c78$1@is.intellij.net...

Once 4.0 has been launched, I will compile a list of possible topics, and
depending on what people in here (newsgrups) say they'd contribute to, we
will try to put together a tentative schedule of topics and authors ...

>

It's not in my power to say whether or not you will get anything from
helping .... but I will gurantee that you'd be a co-author if your work
consists of more than a few comments ... which, for whatever it may be

worth

to you, might look good on some CV/Resume or simply give you a sense of
personal gratification. I most defintaely would lobby hard to get free

IDEA

licenses to those who do extensive work....

>

We'll see ... this isn't something that will happen in the next week, but

if

people show interest, I'm willing to do the work (even outside of work) to
organize it.

>

David

>

JetBrains, Inc.
"Develop with pleasure!"
www.intellij.net

>
>
>
>

"David Stennett" <david@intellij.com> wrote in message
news:bvlj71$j8u$1@is.intellij.net...

Since a few folks have mentioned the idea, maybe I will (or someone else

can

by all means) lead the creation of a community book on IDEA 4.0?

>

The idea might be like this:

>

We compile a table of contents ... and then, memebers of the community
volunteer for the section they want to work on ... and would be assigned

to

that task. Then, once we have all of the sections, we can put it

together

... I will write intro / preface / edit / glossary / etc...

>

This sound like an idea? If yes, I will explore it further ... need to

see

if there is interests first.

>

David

>

JetBrains, Inc.
"Develop with pleasure!"
www.intellij.com

>
>

>
>


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In article <bvmd42$9h6$1@is.intellij.net>, Erb <dont@evenbother.com>
wrote:

Well, unless you're planning to write your own book, you're not "giving up"
anything but time (which is worth something too).


I am a contractor, so haggling about the price is a regular activity.
:)

More seriously, anyone who could contribute to such a book could also
likely contribute to a for-pay work. Alternatively, if JetBrains
decided to pay for someone to write this, they would probably have to
pay amounts roughly like the ones I quoted.

If you note, though, the dollar figures are not that high - you are not
looking at megabucks for most tech books. The Missing Manual for MacOS
X sold something like 600k copies, but that was more than an order of
magnitude more than most other ORielly books. This is always something
that surprises me when looking at the cost of technical books.

Put another way - writing 30-50 pages of material could take a few
weeks, and net a contract which would justify the effort. I know of at
least a few people getting nibbles based on activity in the Eclipse
world.

Scott


Scott Ellsworth wrote:
>>
>>Would people actually work on this for free? IDEA is a commercial
>>application after all. I can see "giving back to the community" for
>>something free like Ecplise, but for a commercial app?


I suspect it depends on the rewards.

To put scope on what you get paid for actual books, read ORielly's web
site, but figure that an entire book is probably only going to net
30k-60k if it is a success, so writing a tenth of one is worth some
single digit integer of thousands of dollars. When I have done
technical edits, I got paid a buck a page.

Thus, this is what you are asknig people to give up. Free licenses are
near the compensation for tech edits, but actual chapters are a bit
more. That said, if being on the front page got me a new consulting gig
as an IDEA/Refactoring expert, it would be square in my book. (I am not
at that skill level yet, but there are people here who are.)

Scott
scott@alodar.com
Java, Cocoa, WebObjects and Database consulting

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I was wondering if this initiative was still ongoing?? If so I'd be more than happy to contribute as a proof-reader or something even if I don't have the IDEA experience to actually contribute to it.

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