Anybody on twin screens

Hi out there,
last week I tried running my java application (JDK1.4 under Windows XP)
under a twin-monitor setup, and the pop menu bars and combo boxes on the
frame in the "secondary" window all opened up on the first window.

I'm currently thinking of getting a second monitor myself, to use for
development with Idea - it'll be heaven having the app in one window whilst
debugging in Idea from the second.

But, has anybody had any success in doing this? On the Sun site it appears
to be an acknowledged bug in some GUI functionality, but have IntelliJ been
able to overcome it? If not, then it's not worth me switching to twin
monitors.

Cheers,
Ian


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I'm running IDEA 3.0.1 build 692 on dual monitors driven by an ATI radeon
7599 video card under win2k and all is well. I've got IDEA on the "primary
monitor" and the app on the "secondary" one menus open where they should and
it truely is a productivity booster.

rob.

"ian mayo" <nospam.IanMayo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi out there,
last week I tried running my java application (JDK1.4 under Windows XP)
under a twin-monitor setup, and the pop menu bars and combo boxes on the
frame in the "secondary" window all opened up on the first window.

>

I'm currently thinking of getting a second monitor myself, to use for
development with Idea - it'll be heaven having the app in one window

whilst

debugging in Idea from the second.

>

But, has anybody had any success in doing this? On the Sun site it

appears

to be an acknowledged bug in some GUI functionality, but have IntelliJ

been

able to overcome it? If not, then it's not worth me switching to twin
monitors.

>

Cheers,
Ian

>
>


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sorry, typo- that should have been "Radeon 7500"

rob.

"Robert Hedin" <robert@ndsapps.com> wrote in message
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I'm running IDEA 3.0.1 build 692 on dual monitors driven by an ATI radeon
7599 video card under win2k and all is well. I've got IDEA on the "primary
monitor" and the app on the "secondary" one menus open where they should

and

it truely is a productivity booster.

>

rob.

>

"ian mayo" <nospam.IanMayo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi out there,
last week I tried running my java application (JDK1.4 under Windows XP)
under a twin-monitor setup, and the pop menu bars and combo boxes on the
frame in the "secondary" window all opened up on the first window.

>

I'm currently thinking of getting a second monitor myself, to use for
development with Idea - it'll be heaven having the app in one window

whilst

debugging in Idea from the second.

>

But, has anybody had any success in doing this? On the Sun site it

appears

to be an acknowledged bug in some GUI functionality, but have IntelliJ

been

able to overcome it? If not, then it's not worth me switching to twin
monitors.

>

Cheers,
Ian

>
>

>
>


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ian mayo wrote:

Hi out there,
last week I tried running my java application (JDK1.4 under Windows XP)
under a twin-monitor setup, and the pop menu bars and combo boxes on the
frame in the "secondary" window all opened up on the first window.


I've just tried that with two different Java 1.4 applications: IDEA and
one of our own products. I didn't see any of the problems that you
described. When the application first started, it appeared in the
primary screen as I expected. I then dragged it over to the secondary
window and all the menus and combo boxes worked correctly. However, new
top-level windows always appeared in the primary screen which was a bit
annoying.

Are you sure you're using the latest JDK 1.4.1_01? Also, are you sure
that you are parenting your controls properly?

But, has anybody had any success in doing this? On the Sun site it appears
to be an acknowledged bug in some GUI functionality, but have IntelliJ been
able to overcome it? If not, then it's not worth me switching to twin
monitors.


I don't have any problems with IDEA running on a two monitor setup. In
fact it behaves better than Mozilla does (which has funny focus problems
on the secondary screen).

If only IDEA could detach the editor windows then I could really make
use of both screens ;)

Ciao,
Gordon

--
Gordon Tyler
Software Developer, R&D
Sitraka (now part of Quest Software)
"Performance is Mission Critical"

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Gordon Tyler wrote:

I've just tried that with two different Java 1.4 applications: IDEA and
one of our own products. I didn't see any of the problems that you
described.


I should mention that this is Windows 2000 with a Matrox Millenium G550.
My secondary screen is left of my primary screen.

Ciao,
Gordon

--
Gordon Tyler
Software Developer, R&D
Sitraka (now part of Quest Software)
"Performance is Mission Critical"

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"Robert Hedin" <robert@ndsapps.com> wrote in message
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I'm running IDEA 3.0.1 build 692 on dual monitors driven by an ATI radeon
7599 video card under win2k and all is well. I've got IDEA on the "primary
monitor" and the app on the "secondary" one menus open where they should

and

it truely is a productivity booster.


Have you (or anyone else) tried running IDEA on both monitors? For example,
putting all the editors on one monitor and all the other windows (debugger,
ant targets, structure, messages, etc.) on the other monitor?

(I'm thinking about getting a second monitor for all the extra windows...)


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Erik Hanson wrote:

Have you (or anyone else) tried running IDEA on both monitors? For example,
putting all the editors on one monitor and all the other windows (debugger,
ant targets, structure, messages, etc.) on the other monitor?


I just tried putting the Project, Structure and Ant Build windows on my
secondary screen. Seems to work fine. Quite cool actually, I think I'll
try it like this for a while.

Ciao,
Gordon

--
Gordon Tyler
Software Developer, R&D
Sitraka (now part of Quest Software)
"Performance is Mission Critical"

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just tried it; seems to work. I've been working w/all the windows docked at
3200 x 1200 (2 monitors @ 1600 x 1200 each), and haven't seen the need to
work un-docked. But, now I think I like having the CVS, Messages, TODO on
the 2nd monitor. hmmm, maybe I need 3 monitors-- gotta call 9xmedia. :)

rob.

"Erik Hanson" <ehanson@comsys.com> wrote in message
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"Robert Hedin" <robert@ndsapps.com> wrote in message
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I'm running IDEA 3.0.1 build 692 on dual monitors driven by an ATI

radeon

7599 video card under win2k and all is well. I've got IDEA on the

"primary

monitor" and the app on the "secondary" one menus open where they should

and

it truely is a productivity booster.

>

Have you (or anyone else) tried running IDEA on both monitors? For

example,

putting all the editors on one monitor and all the other windows

(debugger,

ant targets, structure, messages, etc.) on the other monitor?

>

(I'm thinking about getting a second monitor for all the extra windows...)

>
>


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Ian,

I use a dual monitor setup on a laptop running XP. Primary is the laptop
display 1024x768 and the secondary is a 17' LCD panel 1280x1024. I have the
same problem as you have: popups (menu and combo) are always showing flushed
in the top right corner of the primary screen. Note: due to my heterogenous
display setup the secondary display bottom is about at half the height of
the primary display.

Jacques
"ian mayo" <nospam.IanMayo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi out there,
last week I tried running my java application (JDK1.4 under Windows XP)
under a twin-monitor setup, and the pop menu bars and combo boxes on the
frame in the "secondary" window all opened up on the first window.

>

I'm currently thinking of getting a second monitor myself, to use for
development with Idea - it'll be heaven having the app in one window

whilst

debugging in Idea from the second.

>

But, has anybody had any success in doing this? On the Sun site it

appears

to be an acknowledged bug in some GUI functionality, but have IntelliJ

been

able to overcome it? If not, then it's not worth me switching to twin
monitors.

>

Cheers,
Ian

>
>


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In article <b14au4$ad6$1@is.intellij.net>, ehanson@comsys.com says...

"Robert Hedin" <robert@ndsapps.com> wrote in message
news:b149di$80u$1@is.intellij.net...

I'm running IDEA 3.0.1 build 692 on dual monitors driven by an ATI radeon
7599 video card under win2k and all is well. I've got IDEA on the "primary
monitor" and the app on the "secondary" one menus open where they should

and

it truely is a productivity booster.


Have you (or anyone else) tried running IDEA on both monitors? For example,
putting all the editors on one monitor and all the other windows (debugger,
ant targets, structure, messages, etc.) on the other monitor?

(I'm thinking about getting a second monitor for all the extra windows...)



I'm doing it. I run WinXP at home with a Geforce3 as primary and 3dfx as
secondary. At work, I run an ATI as primary and a mTnT2 as secondary.

Works great.
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Hi Jaques,

yes, the machine I was reporting against was also a laptop (Sony VAIO). The
other contributors seemed to have been using dedicated dual-output video
cards - hopefully I can rely on Java working correctly under these cards.

Ian

"Jacques Morel" <jacmorel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>

I use a dual monitor setup on a laptop running XP. Primary is the laptop
display 1024x768 and the secondary is a 17' LCD panel 1280x1024. I have

the

same problem as you have: popups (menu and combo) are always showing

flushed

in the top right corner of the primary screen. Note: due to my

heterogenous

display setup the secondary display bottom is about at half the height of
the primary display.

>



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"Gordon Tyler" <gordon.tyler@sitraka.com> wrote in message
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>

Are you sure you're using the latest JDK 1.4.1_01? Also, are you sure
that you are parenting your controls properly?


Now, you've panicked me there, Gordon. I'm not at the machine right now, so
I can't check. Interestingly though, in a later thread Jaques reported the
same problem, and we're both running on laptops. Maybe the dual-output of a
laptop doesn't quite cut it.

Cheers,
Ian


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> Maybe the dual-output of a

laptop doesn't quite cut it.


I think that it's the video card. Gordon is using Matrox G550 which supports 2 monitors on
one card. The Matrox drivers have much better dualhead support than any other I've seen
(window positioning, maximizing, etc), so IMHO it's a driver/GDI issue.

-- dimiter

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Hi!

I'm running a dual-monitor setup under winxp with a geforce ti4600 card.
works like a charm.. I have debug windows, struts-console, etc.. as floating
toolwindows on one monitor and IDEA on the other..

/Ole

"ian mayo" <nospam.IanMayo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi out there,
last week I tried running my java application (JDK1.4 under Windows XP)
under a twin-monitor setup, and the pop menu bars and combo boxes on the
frame in the "secondary" window all opened up on the first window.

>

I'm currently thinking of getting a second monitor myself, to use for
development with Idea - it'll be heaven having the app in one window

whilst

debugging in Idea from the second.

>

But, has anybody had any success in doing this? On the Sun site it

appears

to be an acknowledged bug in some GUI functionality, but have IntelliJ

been

able to overcome it? If not, then it's not worth me switching to twin
monitors.

>

Cheers,
Ian

>
>


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Do you guys with desktop have the same monitor for both heads, place side by
side at the same resolution?
BTW The laptop I use is a toshiba tecra 9000 that unfortunately uses a S3
SuperSavage/IX.

Jacques
"Ole Matzura" <ole@eviware.com> wrote in message
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Hi!

>

I'm running a dual-monitor setup under winxp with a geforce ti4600 card.
works like a charm.. I have debug windows, struts-console, etc.. as

floating

toolwindows on one monitor and IDEA on the other..

>

/Ole

>

"ian mayo" <nospam.IanMayo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b147eu$4er$1@is.intellij.net...

Hi out there,
last week I tried running my java application (JDK1.4 under Windows XP)
under a twin-monitor setup, and the pop menu bars and combo boxes on the
frame in the "secondary" window all opened up on the first window.

>

I'm currently thinking of getting a second monitor myself, to use for
development with Idea - it'll be heaven having the app in one window

whilst

debugging in Idea from the second.

>

But, has anybody had any success in doing this? On the Sun site it

appears

to be an acknowledged bug in some GUI functionality, but have IntelliJ

been

able to overcome it? If not, then it's not worth me switching to twin
monitors.

>

Cheers,
Ian

>
>

>
>


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Yep. Running 2@ 19" x 1600x1200 off the same dual head video card.

rob.

"Jacques Morel" <jacmorel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do you guys with desktop have the same monitor for both heads, place side

by

side at the same resolution?
BTW The laptop I use is a toshiba tecra 9000 that unfortunately uses a S3
SuperSavage/IX.

>

Jacques
"Ole Matzura" <ole@eviware.com> wrote in message
news:b185gd$2m6$1@is.intellij.net...

Hi!

>

I'm running a dual-monitor setup under winxp with a geforce ti4600 card.
works like a charm.. I have debug windows, struts-console, etc.. as

floating

toolwindows on one monitor and IDEA on the other..

>

/Ole

>

"ian mayo" <nospam.IanMayo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b147eu$4er$1@is.intellij.net...

Hi out there,
last week I tried running my java application (JDK1.4 under Windows

XP)

under a twin-monitor setup, and the pop menu bars and combo boxes on

the

frame in the "secondary" window all opened up on the first window.

>

I'm currently thinking of getting a second monitor myself, to use for
development with Idea - it'll be heaven having the app in one window

whilst

debugging in Idea from the second.

>

But, has anybody had any success in doing this? On the Sun site it

appears

to be an acknowledged bug in some GUI functionality, but have IntelliJ

been

able to overcome it? If not, then it's not worth me switching to twin
monitors.

>

Cheers,
Ian

>
>

>
>

>
>


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Yep, I'm running two ViewSonic P220f monitors at 1280x1024x32.

Jacques Morel wrote:

Do you guys with desktop have the same monitor for both heads, place side by
side at the same resolution?
BTW The laptop I use is a toshiba tecra 9000 that unfortunately uses a S3
SuperSavage/IX.


--
Gordon Tyler
Software Developer, R&D
Sitraka (now part of Quest Software)
"Performance is Mission Critical"

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In article <b1aal1$c6$1@is.intellij.net>, jacmorel@yahoo.com says...

Subject: Re: Anybody on twin screens
From: "Jacques Morel" <jacmorel@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: jetbrains.intellij.community

Do you guys with desktop have the same monitor for both heads, place side by
side at the same resolution?
BTW The laptop I use is a toshiba tecra 9000 that unfortunately uses a S3
SuperSavage/IX.

I use two physical cards because I don't like the behavior of the single
card dual-head solutions. For example, with dual-head, the taskbar
expands across both desk and you can't run them at two different
resolutions.


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Not on WindowsXP.

I have a Dell Lattitude C840 and it has a GeForce 4 Go which handles 2
screens beautifully (2 resolutions, task bar on one, etc.), but only on
WindowsXP, on W2K I could only have "1 big screen".

Amnon

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In article <b1aal1$c6$1@is.intellij.net>, jacmorel@yahoo.com says...

Subject: Re: Anybody on twin screens
From: "Jacques Morel" <jacmorel@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: jetbrains.intellij.community

>

Do you guys with desktop have the same monitor for both heads, place

side by

side at the same resolution?
BTW The laptop I use is a toshiba tecra 9000 that unfortunately uses a

S3

SuperSavage/IX.

>
>
I use two physical cards because I don't like the behavior of the single
card dual-head solutions. For example, with dual-head, the taskbar
expands across both desk and you can't run them at two different
resolutions.

>
>

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David H. McCoy

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David H. McCoy wrote:

I use two physical cards because I don't like the behavior of the single
card dual-head solutions. For example, with dual-head, the taskbar
expands across both desk and you can't run them at two different
resolutions.


That depends on your video card and its driver software. The Matrox G550
that I use can display different resolutions for each monitor and my
taskbar is only on my primary screen.

Ciao,
Gordon

--
Gordon Tyler
Software Developer, R&D
Sitraka (now part of Quest Software)
"Performance is Mission Critical"

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In article <b1e3eq$bdc$1@is.intellij.net>, agovrin@freshwater.com
says...

Not on WindowsXP.

I have a Dell Lattitude C840 and it has a GeForce 4 Go which handles 2
screens beautifully (2 resolutions, task bar on one, etc.), but only on
WindowsXP, on W2K I could only have "1 big screen".

Amnon


I've got XP now. I'll have to try that next time I upgrade my video
card. Thanks for the tip!


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In article <b1e8fv$kdv$1@is.intellij.net>, gordon.tyler@sitraka.com
says...

David H. McCoy wrote:

I use two physical cards because I don't like the behavior of the single
card dual-head solutions. For example, with dual-head, the taskbar
expands across both desk and you can't run them at two different
resolutions.


That depends on your video card and its driver software. The Matrox G550
that I use can display different resolutions for each monitor and my
taskbar is only on my primary screen.

Ciao,
Gordon


Let's say Nvidia and ATI then. Those were the two I tried.
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David H. McCoy wrote:

In article <b1e8fv$kdv$1@is.intellij.net>, gordon.tyler@sitraka.com
says...

>>That depends on your video card and its driver software. The Matrox G550
>>that I use can display different resolutions for each monitor and my
>>taskbar is only on my primary screen.


Let's say Nvidia and ATI then. Those were the two I tried.


I think if you mix your video cards then you're probably going to get
less than optimal results. The best results are probably to be had by
using the same brand & model of video card for each display. However, it
is still preferable to use a single video card that supports dual
display since it will almost certainly handle it better than two
individual cards.

I believe both NVidia and ATI make dual-display video cards now. So
you're not restricted to Matrox.

Ciao,
Gordon

--
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Software Developer, R&D
Sitraka (now part of Quest Software)
"Performance is Mission Critical"

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In article <b1m59j$1bc$1@is.intellij.net>, gordon.tyler@sitraka.com
says...

David H. McCoy wrote:

In article <b1e8fv$kdv$1@is.intellij.net>, gordon.tyler@sitraka.com
says...

>>That depends on your video card and its driver software. The Matrox G550
>>that I use can display different resolutions for each monitor and my
>>taskbar is only on my primary screen.


Let's say Nvidia and ATI then. Those were the two I tried.


I think if you mix your video cards then you're probably going to get
less than optimal results. The best results are probably to be had by
using the same brand & model of video card for each display. However, it
is still preferable to use a single video card that supports dual
display since it will almost certainly handle it better than two
individual cards.


As I stated earlier, having two cards was the only way to get the
behavior I desired. Someone has stated that XP does work as I
described.

I believe both NVidia and ATI make dual-display video cards now. So
you're not restricted to Matrox.


Indeed. But as I said, I will try a new one the next time I upgrade.

Ciao,
Gordon


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Yes, I had the same problem.... now it works fine. Meanwhile I changed the
computer and OS. Before I was using Win2000, now I'm using XP. Before I had
two video cards now I'm using Matrox Millenium G550.

It does work.


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I have a Mobility Radeon 7500, and, as the laptop screen (screen 1) has a
resolution too small for my nonexistent short-term memory (1024x768), I use
an external monitor (screen 2) at 1280x1024 for active development.

Pop-up windows will appear wherever they were opened last for me, so if I
had them on screen 1 the last time I used them, they will appear on screen 1
when I open them again.

However, the tooltips will /always/ appear on screen 1. If I mouse over any
of the buttons, rather than appear on screen 2 near the mouse, it will
appear on the right edge of screen one, vertically oriented with the proper
tooltip location.

This is obviously only a minor annoyance, and not one at all now that I know
where to look for my tooltips.

-a.
"ian mayo" <nospam.IanMayo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi out there,
last week I tried running my java application (JDK1.4 under Windows XP)
under a twin-monitor setup, and the pop menu bars and combo boxes on the
frame in the "secondary" window all opened up on the first window.

>

I'm currently thinking of getting a second monitor myself, to use for
development with Idea - it'll be heaven having the app in one window

whilst

debugging in Idea from the second.

>

But, has anybody had any success in doing this? On the Sun site it

appears

to be an acknowledged bug in some GUI functionality, but have IntelliJ

been

able to overcome it? If not, then it's not worth me switching to twin
monitors.

>

Cheers,
Ian

>
>


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