Plugin idea for web development

Not many people here probably do a lot of straight HTML programming, so maybe
this won't interest many of you. However, I think IDEA is in a position to
become a platform for Dreamweaver-like editing.

I last used Dreamweaver version MX 2004, and it sucked pretty bad. You could
edit the source and the graphical view (powered by Opera) and they would sync
up, and the selection would sync up and things like that, but you had to click a
resync button when you were done editing the source, and it didn't update live
in most cases. I think this is because Macromedia doesn't have the kinds of
lexing and parsing code in their editor that modern Java IDE's have.

I think an awesome plugin would be to take advantage of the fact that IDEA
always has a HTML page's DOM in memory, and it's completely up to date with the
editor. You could use JDIC browser component to embed mozilla browser component
in a toolwindow and keep it updated on every keypress. From there I think it
could expand to support editing in the mozilla component and keeping changes to
the dom in sync with IDEA's editor.

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I'm saw this topic late, but I'm very intersted in the original idea Keith talked about.

I do web development for an enterprise product which has a web portal component. Lots of HTML, CSS, Javascript, JSP, XML, XSL.

A preview pane would be interesting, but only if it had advanced features like hilighting the block of code corresponding to the html you click on in the preview.

Today, I can just have a web browser open the file I am editing useing file://c//.... ,

Right now, I am more interested in Jetbrains just improving the support for JSP, Javascript, CSS that they added in 5.0. The Find Usages, Refactoring, etc. is still very limited in 5.0.

In addition to Dreamweaver, JetBrains should take a look at TopStyle Pro which has some nice features for web development. The one feature I really like the color palette. It scans you CSS or HTML file, and pulls out all the colors and then shows them to you in a tree. It will show you where the color is used.

If you hit CTRL-Q while in a color like #FFCCFF, it will show you a little color preview box. But I would like IDEA to actually change the background color and/or the border around the color spec so I can visually see the color while editing the CSS file.

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+10 RangerRob

I can't believe how many threads I've seen hijacked by Ruby/Rails fanatics. If the language is not Java, then why are we talking about it on a Java Product forum?

One of the things the RonR fanatics scream about is that some simple application takes only 300 lines of code versus 1000 (or 10000) in J2EE.

This is totally unimportant for me. If you work on a large web development project, probably 99% of the code is your own application logic. The glue logic between the J2EE and your application logic is very small amount in a really large application.

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I can't believe how many threads I've seen hijacked by Ruby/Rails fanatics. If the language is not Java, then why are we talking about it on a Java Product forum?

Happens every time that the "java-killer du jour' is released ...

Still, it is good to look at new things, so I've got a few books and I'm trying out a few examples.

Ruby the language is excellent. A joy to use, and I can certainly see why it is popular. I personally find the syntax a bit terse, and less readable than Java. That may be a familiarity thing, but I suspect that decisons in the language design have favoured 'less typing' over 'readability'. The ability to knock out 300 lines instead of 1000 is considerably less important to me than being able to understand the code 3 months from now. As I said though, that may be a familiarity thing.

Again though; 'lines of code' is an astonishingly poor metric imo, especially since most of my typing is done by IDEA anyway.

Rails I'm less impressed with. The template mechanism requires that you drop executable statements into HTML code. I could do that in JSP ... :(
But the ability to generate so much boilerplate is excellent, and something that was severely lacking in Java.
To be honest, I think a lot of people here realised that Fabrique would never see the light of day; shame really, but thats the nature of the market.

Now although I think that Rails isn't really up to much yet, I do think that the idea is sound, and without Fabrique, then I reckon that JetBrains are a bit stuck.

Now, they could take Rob's suggestion and build a better Rails for Ruby (maybe add some SORELY needed frameworks to Ruby while they're at it). The only problem here is that Ruby is free, and everything that goes with it is free. Could JetBrains charge for a RoR IDE?

The other possibility, is to continue with the Fabrique idea, but build it around something like Trails, which does the same app/domain generation stuff as RoR, but uses Tapestry, Spring(I think) and Hibernate. Trails uses Eclipse as its IDE base, and I don't imagine they plan to build something fo IDEA, which is also a shame.
Whatever they do, they shouldn't try to build their own framework again. That way, madness lies ....

Anyway, just some thoughts off the top of my head.

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For what it's worth, I would absolutely LOVE to see IDEA have some sort of a plugin (even if it was commercial) to support a Ruby/Rails dev environment. I've only been playing with it for about a week now, but I can see myself spending a lot more time with it in the coming months.

Yes, I know that IDEA is a Java IDE, but I find that even for editing text, I use it sometime in completely non-java projects, simply because other text editors suck so bad. :|

I've even used IDEA for a ColdFusion project (shudders...) that I had to to once.


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