OT: Mac mini enough for Java development?

Hi,

We are thinking about purchasing a Mac mini, but have our doubts,
whether it can be used for serious Java developing. At least the
built-in 256MB RAM seem like a joke to me. Is somebody using a Mac mini
with IDEA? Is it acceptable fast?

Tom

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Dang. I have to wait. :( Not being delivered till later.

Waaaaah! I want my J2SE5.0!

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Joseph

>Waaaaah! I want my J2SE5.0!

>



The Java 2 Platform Standard Edition (J2SE) 5.0 Release 1 software update..

This update does not change the default version of Java on your Mac from
Java 1.4.2 to J2SE 5.0, though Java applications that require J2SE 5.0
may specifically request it. If you want to change the default Java
version for applications and applets, use the new Java Preferences
utility that is installed by the J2SE 5.0 update at
/Applications/Utilities/Java/J2SE 5.0/.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301073


Did it help?

Alain

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MUCHLY.

Tiger is a dream, btw. Can't wait to start messing with 1.5

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OK, now I've got my Mac mini :]

But since I did not find a way to access newsgroups, I need to post from
Windows. Maybe somebody can answer me following questions:
- Does Mac OS support multiple users, e.g., administrator and normal
users?
- Is there a "default" place where to install software (e.g. IDEA)?
- Is there something like a Norton Commander available for Mac OS?
- How to configure the Email-client to leave the messages on the server.

Thanks in advance.

Tom

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Thomas Singer (MoTJ) wrote:

OK, now I've got my Mac mini :]

But since I did not find a way to access newsgroups, I need to post from
Windows.

http://www.panic.com/unison/
http://www.versiontracker.com/
Maybe somebody can answer me following questions:

- Does Mac OS support multiple users, e.g., administrator and normal
users?

Apple menu->System Preferences->Accounts

- Is there a "default" place where to install software (e.g. IDEA)?

/Applications

- Is there something like a Norton Commander available for Mac OS?

No idea ...

- How to configure the Email-client to leave the messages on the server.

Mail menu->Preferences->Account->Advanced

HTH
R

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Tom

OK, now I've got my Mac mini :]

>

Good for you. Some people have noticed a improvement in their sex life.
I didn't.


But since I did not find a way to access newsgroups,



Use Thunderbird. I find it much better than Mail.app for standard mail,
and it works fine with newsgroups. And it's cross-platform.
It lacks full OS integration, though, like access to the Address Book.
MS-Entourage has the same problem.

- Does Mac OS support multiple users, e.g., administrator and normal
users?



You're joking, are you?
The first user account you create has more rights - *1 - than the next
ones, so it's better to create a second account for your daily work.
*1: don't ask me which ones; I don't know.

- Is there a "default" place where to install software (e.g. IDEA)?



I suggest you create
~/Applications
, so you won't "pollute" your HD.

- Is there something like a Norton Commander available for Mac OS?


Not really what you want, but for quickly locating and launching apps,
install Launchbar. It's invaluable.



- How to configure the Email-client to leave the messages on the server.

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Can't say. I only use Thunderbird.

For sofware (info+user comments and rating), go to versiontracker.com.
*For questions, try macosx-support@yahoogroups.com

Alain*

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Thanks, Robert and Alain, for the first hints.

Tom

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- Is there something like a Norton Commander available for Mac OS?


FYI, I've found muCommander: http://www.mu-j.com/mucommander .

Tom

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In article <d71kj2$53j$4@is.intellij.net>,
Alain Ravet <alain.ravet@biz.tiscali.be> wrote:

Tom

OK, now I've got my Mac mini :]

>

Good for you. Some people have noticed a improvement in their sex life.
I didn't.


Maybe you need to get one for your wife too? :)

R

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In article <d71hhu$9p$1@is.intellij.net>,
"Thomas Singer (MoTJ)" <nomail@nodomain.com> wrote:

OK, now I've got my Mac mini :]

But since I did not find a way to access newsgroups, I need to post from
Windows. Maybe somebody can answer me following questions:


Do a search for MT-NewsWatcher on version tracker. This is what I use.
It works real well. Is a bit weird to setup, but fire me an email off
list and I'll help you with it.

Some people like Thunderbird. For a first time user, you might be OK
using it. As someone who wanted to import all his settings to it, it's
not possible... So I use mail.app and I like it very much.

- Does Mac OS support multiple users, e.g., administrator and normal
users?


For sure. command + space bar (brings up spotlight) type: accounts, you
will see the system preference listed in there. Take a peed there and
adjust everything you want.

- Is there a "default" place where to install software (e.g. IDEA)?


/Applications
Some people like a different dir. I like to keep everything in one
place.

- Is there something like a Norton Commander available for Mac OS?


hehe... not sure... what about Norton Commander do you like? Maybe that
will give us a clue as to what might do the same thing.

- How to configure the Email-client to leave the messages on the server.


Preference|Accounts|Choose account| Clicked advanced tab.

Generally everything you can tweak is under App Name (upper left corner)
Preferences. Command + Q always quits the app. Clicking the red button
just closes a window, but does not quit the app.

hth
R

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By the way, I've found www.macosxhints.com to be an invaluable source of
info, especially when encountering problems. Check the forums, chances are
somebody else has already had the same issue.

Tobin


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Tom,

One more thing: I hate the way MacOS places applications' menus on the
top of the main screen.
So, the first thing I do after downloading a new IDEA build and doing
the dance of joy, is changing
apple.laf.useScreenMenuBar
to true, in
IntelliJ IDEA-buil.app/Contents/Info.plist

(Select the app, right-click, "Show Package Contents".

I wonder who, on this list, share this habit of mines.


Alain

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- Is there something like a Norton Commander available for Mac OS?

AFAIK MidnightCommander (http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/) runs on every
possible Unix, so it should run on MacOSX too.

Ahmed.

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In article <d71uv3$8ml$1@is.intellij.net>,
Alain Ravet <alain.ravet@biz.tiscali.be> wrote:

Tom,

One more thing: I hate the way MacOS places applications' menus on the
top of the main screen.
So, the first thing I do after downloading a new IDEA build and doing
the dance of joy, is changing
apple.laf.useScreenMenuBar
to true, in
IntelliJ IDEA-buil.app/Contents/Info.plist


????? This is already done for the dmg builds, not sure why you'd need
to do that.


(Select the app, right-click, "Show Package Contents".

I wonder who, on this list, share this habit of mines.


Alain

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Robert

This is already done for the dmg builds, not sure why you'd need to do
that.




I'm afraid not: by default, IDEA.app will show you its menu the Mac way,
and I prefer the Window's way, especially when working with 2 screens.


Alain

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In article <d7237l$2ch$1@is.intellij.net>,
Alain Ravet <alain.ravet@biz.tiscali.be> wrote:

Robert

This is already done for the dmg builds, not sure why you'd need to do
that.



I'm afraid not: by default, IDEA.app will show you its menu the Mac way,
and I prefer the Window's way, especially when working with 2 screens.


Alain


OoOoOOOO... then you mean set the menu bar to FALSE not TRUE :)

R

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For newsgroups, I enjoy using Unison from Panic:

http://www.panic.com/unison/

It's commercial, but well worth it.

Patrick

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Robert S. Sfeir wrote:

>>I'm afraid not: by default, IDEA.app will show you its menu the Mac way,
>>and I prefer the Window's way, especially when working with 2 screens.
>>
>>
>OoOoOOOO... then you mean set the menu bar to FALSE not TRUE :)
>

>

My finger slipped, you're right.
Anyway, I change the default value, to have the menu attached to the app
window. I really find the Apple way counter-productive.

Alain

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Alain Ravet wrote:

Anyway, I change the default value, to have the menu attached to the app
window. I really find the Apple way counter-productive.


I actually prefer the Mac way because I find it much easier to
find/reach the menu bar when it's at the top of the screen. Fitt's Law, etc.

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Gordon

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I actually prefer the Mac way because I find it much easier to
find/reach the menu bar when it's at the top of the screen. Fitt's Law, etc.


+1, plus everything else on the mac is this way, so changing that is a
bit weird, you still have the menu bar no matter what, so it's not like
you're saving space, you're actually losing some.

R

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I actually prefer the Mac way because I find it much easier to
find/reach the menu bar when it's at the top of the screen. Fitt's
Law, etc.

>


(I don't want to start a war in this thread, but I'll just speak my
truth, as a Mac convert who hasn't touched a Windows machine for 15
months. )

You wouldn't need it if Mac keyboard support was not inferior to
Windows' kbd support. With ANY windows' app, Alt-F will open the File
menu, and from there, you can do anything with the keyboard. With MacOS,
you need to reach for your mouse first. That's why PowerBooks are such a
great developement platform: you don't have to reach for the mouse, you
just have to move your thumb an inch.

Finally, with 2 screens, I hate it when the app is on the right screen,
and its menu is on the left. nothing could make me love this. Except a
lobotomy. Maybe.
Let's agree we disagree.

Alain

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In article <d728p5$7vl$3@is.intellij.net>,
Alain Ravet <alain.ravet@biz.tiscali.be> wrote:

Finally, with 2 screens, I hate it when the app is on the right screen,
and its menu is on the left. nothing could make me love this. Except a
lobotomy. Maybe.


I won't disagree with that. When I DO use the 2 screens at home, I do
switch off the menu bar because as you said... menu follows app into
other screen and no weirdness ensues.

R

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Ahmed Mohombe wrote:

AFAIK MidnightCommander (http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/) runs on every
possible Unix, so it should run on MacOSX too.


Seconded. I was going to suggest it too.

http://snow.prohosting.com/guru4mac/installing_mc_on_macosx.html might
be of help.

/Kreiger



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Do you know, whether there is a binary available somewhere? At this stage of
my Mac experience, I don't want to mess around with compiling it myself,
especially, when the mentioned website says, that it is tricky.

Tom

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Where IDEA stores its settings on Mac OS X? At least it does not store
them in ]]>/.IntelliJIdea like in Windows (where for gods sake is the
tilde sign on that ApplePro keyboard...).

Tom

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Tom

Where IDEA stores its settings on Mac OS X?



~/Library/Preferences/Intellij IDEA

where for gods sake is the tilde sign on that ApplePro keyboard



On my keyboard (Belgian), it's Alt+n

Alain

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On my keyboard (Belgian), it's Alt+n


Alt+n also works on my German keyboard. Looks like I also have to press
space afterwards.

Tom

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If you go to Apple Menu->System Preferences->International->Input Menu
you can enable a "Keyboard Viewer". Once enabled, you can select it
from the flag menu at the right-hand side of the menu bar.

It will show the keyboard layout in its normal state and then modify it
when you press shift, option, command, etc. Keys that have an extra
highlight around them are combined with the next key to give accented
characters, e.g. alt-e + e gives é. You have discovered the tilde as an
accent, like mañana (alt-n + n). There is probably an easier way to
type it if you just want the tilde!

This used to be a standalone app, I don't know why they hid it away like
this :(

HTH,
R

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I am running IDEA on OS X on a PowerBook (1Ghz G4 with 1 Gig Ram and a 4200 RPM disk drive). This is more than enough horsepower to develop with IDEA.

You can get reasonably priced 3rd party RAM for the Mac Mini. Raising the memory to 512Meg or even 1 Gig would be a good idea.

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You can get reasonably priced 3rd party RAM for the Mac Mini. Raising the
memory to 512Meg or even 1 Gig would be a good idea.


And if you dare you can get 2Gig dimms now, though none have been
'approved' for use on that hardware... perhaps soon they will.

R

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