Visual studio .NET plugin release date? (EAP)

Are there a release date for the VS plugin?
(EAP release date)


Regards
Thomas

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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:22:03 +0000, Thomas wrote:

Are there a release date for the VS plugin? (EAP release date)


The more I look at mono on linux I'd love to see a C# language plugin for
IDEA as well.

Take the borland route with their C++ Builder X - the IDE is all in java :)

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Are there a release date for the VS plugin?
(EAP release date)


We plan to open EAP for it soon. Within a month or even earlier. We are
working on such issues as obfuscating, license etc necessary for openning
it.

BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin for
Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings etc)?

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


"Thomas" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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Are there a release date for the VS plugin?
(EAP release date)

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Regards
Thomas



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The more I look at mono on linux I'd love to see a C# language plugin for
IDEA as well.


It's definetely not planned to release a plugin for IDEA with C# support. As
a first step it will be a plugin for VS and will become a standalone product
later.

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Take the borland route with their C++ Builder X - the IDE is all in java

:)

Writing IDE for C# in Java would have too much disadvantages. One of them is
that IDE needs an Open API and java Open API for C# product is nonsense IMO.
Also team working on C# product and writing in C# have more chances to
produce a usable product.

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


"Mark Derricutt" <mark@talios.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:22:03 +0000, Thomas wrote:

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Are there a release date for the VS plugin? (EAP release date)

>

The more I look at mono on linux I'd love to see a C# language plugin for
IDEA as well.

>

Take the borland route with their C++ Builder X - the IDE is all in java

:)
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BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin for
Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings etc)?


As soon as I get a .net project, I will definitely want it :)

Ciao

...Jochen



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I'd be interested in it.

Will it work with source code control?

In particular, I'm trying to use the AnkhSVN support to enable Visual Studio .NET to integrate with Subversion.

Note that MS is planning to add refactoring support in an upcoming version of Visual Studio.

- Chris

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Will it work with source code control?


This is probably Visual Studio's side not our plugin's. But we'll try to
integrate with Visual Studio's support of version controls.

Note that MS is planning to add refactoring support in an upcoming version

of Visual Studio.

Yes, of course. As well as such stuff as "Surround with..." and kind of live
templates which they consider as "refactorings" as well :)).

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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Note that MS is planning to add refactoring support in an upcoming version

of Visual Studio.

"Christopher Brown" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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I'd be interested in it.

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Will it work with source code control?

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In particular, I'm trying to use the AnkhSVN support to enable Visual

Studio .NET to integrate with Subversion.
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Note that MS is planning to add refactoring support in an upcoming version

of Visual Studio.
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- Chris



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On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:37:07 +0300, Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains) wrote:

BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin for
Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings etc)?


I have one small dotnet project, and if I ever need to do maintenance on
it, I'll definitely be wanting smart editor stuff. I tried some of the
refactoring tools already available, and well, they sucked.

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Yes, of course. As well as such stuff as "Surround with..." and kind of

live

templates which they consider as "refactorings" as well :)).


Don't blame them, they are new to refactorings, they don't know yet exactly
what it means ;)


--
Guillaume Laforge
http://glaforge.free.fr/weblog/index.php?catid=2&blogid=1


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BTW, how many people here would be interested in such
product (plugin for
Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage
search, refactorings etc)?


I would rather be interested in a standalone full IDE for C#, usable without a license of Visual Studio

Francesco Bellomi
http://www.fran.it

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We would love it. It have bee hard to change from IntelliJ to VS.NET

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BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin for
Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings etc)?


if it works with vs.net 2002 version, yes.
I am not sure we are going to upgrade anytime soon...
-j



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BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin for
Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings etc)?


I'm too! The refactoring is good way to be the same with your application
:). It independed on language you using :). IDEA first IDEA who show me
"live of application" and get ability to "change that live", i realy want to
see and try something same tool in other language!

BTW, that you thing about cross language refactorings? From java to C# and
back ;)

Thanks!


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You know, IDEA started as a plugin to JBuilder, and today it's a full-blown, best of the market, IDE. Who knows what will happen to this tiny VS.NET plugin...

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Bad news for BG, BeG take a look at VS.NET :))
Time to backup VS for memories :)

joke

"Marcus Brito" <pazu@animegaiden.com.br> wrote in message
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You know, IDEA started as a plugin to JBuilder, and today it's a

full-blown, best of the market, IDE. Who knows what will happen to this tiny
VS.NET plugin...


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I would be interested in it.

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I would love to work with the .NET plugin. I develop C# apps daily and really miss many features available to Java developers in IDEA. More specifically:

- Refactoring
- Intellisense without being restricted to the VS project bloat
- Ablility to build an assembley with NAnt would be great also

The main problem I have developing in VS, aside from the bloated project structure, is VS simply doesn't know C# as well as IDEA knows Java. IDEA's ability to discover errors before compilation is a major plus.

-Barrett

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- Intellisense without being restricted to the VS project bloat


What do you mean?

- Ablility to build an assembley with NAnt would be great also


Yes, we have NAnt support and probably will include it into the plugin.

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


"P. Barrett Little" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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I would love to work with the .NET plugin. I develop C# apps daily and

really miss many features available to Java developers in IDEA. More
specifically:
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- Refactoring
- Intellisense without being restricted to the VS project bloat
- Ablility to build an assembley with NAnt would be great also

>

The main problem I have developing in VS, aside from the bloated project

structure, is VS simply doesn't know C# as well as IDEA knows Java. IDEA's
ability to discover errors before compilation is a major plus.
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-Barrett

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- What do you mean?


IntelliSense support in a single-file model. When writing a class, I have to wrap the file in a VS project to use IntelliSense. The prefered single-file model, however, removes IntelliSense support.

- Yes, we have NAnt support and probably will include it into the plugin.


Great! This is very important with push towards msBuild in the next iteration of VS. I don't want to be constrained to a single build method.

-Barrett

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IntelliSense support in a single-file model. When writing a class, I have

to wrap the file in a VS project to use IntelliSense. The prefered
single-file model, however, removes IntelliSense support.

I'm not sure I understood you correctly this time but we also need some
project structure to make it working. So does IDEA as well.

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


"P. Barrett Little" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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- What do you mean?

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IntelliSense support in a single-file model. When writing a class, I have

to wrap the file in a VS project to use IntelliSense. The prefered
single-file model, however, removes IntelliSense support.
>

- Yes, we have NAnt support and probably will include it into the

plugin.
>

Great! This is very important with push towards msBuild in the next

iteration of VS. I don't want to be constrained to a single build method.
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-Barrett



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This is also a requirement from my side. I bought Visual C#.net back then and don't feel like updating it.

I don't have any .net projects currently, but who knows what future will bring. If I'd had some better support for refactorings etc. I would again start playing with C#, but with VS.net alone it's a pain so I don't do any C# development as long as I don't need to.

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>BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin for
>Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings etc)?

I'm eagerly awaiting this plugin - having recently switched from Java/IDEA to C#/VS.NET, I'm really missing a lot of the features IDEA had previously spoiled me with.

Could you give some approximation as to what percentage of IDEA functionality will make it to VS.NET through this plugin? Just some of the things that come to mind now that I am missing are

  • IDEA's superb highlighting of errors and warnings (and the bar on the right-side of the editor that shows where they are in the entire document)

  • refactorings, refactorings, refactorings, refactorings!

  • find usages

  • Ctrl-N / Ctrl-Shift-N

  • templates

  • advanced code-coloring options like being able to distinguish between arguments, fields, local variables and constants.


Do you guys have an approximate actual release date yet or is it too soon to tell? and what kind of price-point are you shooting for when this plugin is released?

btw: one feature that's in VS.NET that you may want to consider adding to IDEA is how it auto-formats code when you close a block ("}"). This helps a lot when you manually add if/while/try constructs around a piece of code. I know IDEA's "surround with" does the extra indentation as well but sometimes it's easier to just add the code manually...

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I would rather be interested in a standalone full IDE
for C#, usable without a license of Visual Studio


I agree with fbellomi. I'd love to get into C# development with IDEA, however I'm not interested in spending a small fortune on the VS.NET license. Not to mention I'd much rather give my money to JetBrains than Microsoft anyhow.

The impression I get is that JetBrains are intending to creating a C# IDE in the mould of IntelliJ IDEA (maybe IntelliC IDEA?? ;)) which could be exactly what people like fbellomi and myself are looking for.

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  • IDEA's superb highlighting of errors and warnings (and the bar on the

right-side of the editor that shows where they are in the entire document)

Yes, we plan this.

  • refactorings, refactorings, refactorings, refactorings!


We plan to include at least a few the most important refactorings into the
first release.

  • find usages


Yes, of course.

  • Ctrl-N / Ctrl-Shift-N


Yes, of course.

  • templates


Yes.

  • advanced code-coloring options like being able to distinguish between

arguments, fields, local variables and constants.

Yes.

>

Do you guys have an approximate actual release date yet or is it too soon

to tell? and what kind of price-point are you shooting for when this plugin
is released?
>

Release can be expected in Summer 2004. Licensing policy and pricing is not
defined yet.

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

"Luke Hutteman" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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>BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin for
>Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings

etc)?
>

I'm eagerly awaiting this plugin - having recently switched from Java/IDEA

to C#/VS.NET, I'm really missing a lot of the features IDEA had previously
spoiled me with.
>

Could you give some approximation as to what percentage of IDEA

functionality will make it to VS.NET through this plugin? Just some of the
things that come to mind now that I am missing are

  • IDEA's superb highlighting of errors and warnings (and the bar on the

right-side of the editor that shows where they are in the entire document)

  • refactorings, refactorings, refactorings, refactorings!

  • find usages

  • Ctrl-N / Ctrl-Shift-N

  • templates

  • advanced code-coloring options like being able to distinguish between

arguments, fields, local variables and constants.
>

Do you guys have an approximate actual release date yet or is it too soon

to tell? and what kind of price-point are you shooting for when this plugin
is released?
>

btw: one feature that's in VS.NET that you may want to consider adding to

IDEA is how it auto-formats code when you close a block ("}"). This helps a
lot when you manually add if/while/try constructs around a piece of code. I
know IDEA's "surround with" does the extra indentation as well but sometimes
it's easier to just add the code manually...


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Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>Are there a release date for the VS plugin?
>>(EAP release date)


We plan to open EAP for it soon. Within a month or even earlier. We are
working on such issues as obfuscating, license etc necessary for openning
it.

BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin for
Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings etc)?


Only if the feature set substantially surpasses whidbey's. In addition,
.net 2.0 support and integration with msbuild would be a requirement for us.


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In addition,
.net 2.0 support


Of course, but it should be released at least.

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


"Taras Tielkes" <taras@remove.something.xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>Are there a release date for the VS plugin?
>>(EAP release date)
>
>

We plan to open EAP for it soon. Within a month or even earlier. We are
working on such issues as obfuscating, license etc necessary for

openning

it.

>

BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin

for

Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings

etc)?

>

>

Only if the feature set substantially surpasses whidbey's. In addition,
.net 2.0 support and integration with msbuild would be a requirement for

us.
>


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sweet! It's gonna be nice to "develop with pleasure!" again :)

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what about a plugin for #develop?


What do you mean? Do you mean us to develop plugin for this tool instead?

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

"charles decroes" <spam@decroes.com> wrote in message
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what about a plugin for #develop?

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http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/



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it would be cool for us who are low on funds. A VS license is pretty expensive. Since it sounds like the plugin is almost done it probably wouldn't be feasable.

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Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains) wrote:

BTW, how many people here would be interested in such product (plugin for
Visual Studio with smart editor features, usage search, refactorings etc)?


Many. Trust me, at least me and my whole office :)
drP

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