Poll: bundle some plugins in final distribution

Our community has produced some really good plugins, some of which I
can't really live without anymore, and some of which really made the
mind of some of partners of mine to try out idea.

Of course, I'm talking about the Inspection Gadgets.

So, what I'm considering here is for JetBrains guys to bundle some
hand-choosen plugins ready to use with IDEA. Now, two questions:

1) For Jetbrainers: is there any slight chance that this could happen?
2) For the community: which plugins would you like to see bundled?

My vote is for the inspection gadgets and maybe the SQL plugin.

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I vote for Tabifier and TabSwitch.


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I vote for IPP and CodeOutline.

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I'd add Rearranger too.

Guillaume Laforge wrote:

I vote for Tabifier and TabSwitch.

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I would vote for the sql plugin, but I'm still waiting to see what this
entry is in the EAP project plan under J2EE:

-Data source management

is this SQL data source?

Anyway as it stands today, I'd like to see:

- InspectorGadget
- SQL Plugin
- Intention Powerpack

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I would suggest a voting-feature for the Plugin Manager.
So everyone can access the top 10-plugins easily and JetBrains does not need to take care of plugin-bugs and release-cycles for the release(s) of IDEA.

Isn't it already easy enough to install plugins with
the Plugin Manager?

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Isn't it already easy enough to install plugins with
the Plugin Manager?


yup..there's no need to include anything,
everybody has it's own needs anyway, so, for example, if majority uses outline plugin, I would need to uninstall it because of that.

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FYI the plugin manager in 996 (not sure about previous versions) lets you
sort the plugins by number of downloads. That seems to give a pretty good
picture of which are the top 10 plugins.

Frank Bruch wrote:

I would suggest a voting-feature for the Plugin Manager.
So everyone can access the top 10-plugins easily and JetBrains does not need to take care of plugin-bugs and release-cycles for the release(s) of IDEA.

Isn't it already easy enough to install plugins with
the Plugin Manager?


Vil.
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Vilya Harvey wrote:

FYI the plugin manager in 996 (not sure about previous versions) lets
you sort the plugins by number of downloads. That seems to give a pretty
good picture of which are the top 10 plugins.


Just because you download a plugin doesnt mean you find it good! Take
the winamp visualisations - some of the highest ranked are there because
people wondered what they did so dl'ed them ... not because they were
the most useful.

A voting / reviewing system allows for better feedback and a more
accurate representation of consumer opinion.

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I think the original idea was to provide greater functionality out of
the box by bundling the small handful of plugins that are particularly
cool and/or plug gaping holes in IntelliJ's current capabilities. I
think some definitely qualify; In fact I'm surprised that certain ones
have not already been assimilated.

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m.milicevic wrote:

>>Isn't it already easy enough to install plugins with
>>the Plugin Manager?


yup..there's no need to include anything,
everybody has it's own needs anyway, so, for example, if majority uses outline plugin, I would need to uninstall it because of that.

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The problem (well, one of many) is that the result will be JetBrains will end up having their software judged (albeit incorrectly) by other quality of other people's QA and support. Not really a comfortable position, I'd say.

As for plugins whose functionality would be great in the core product, I'd list JUnitTest, Rearranger, Workspaces, LineMover, InspectionGadgets, and IntentionPowerPack, at a minimum.

--Dave Griffith

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Very true.

What I was actually trying to say, but didn't make very clear, is that if
you sort the list by the number of downloads then the results you get
correspond roughly to what people would probably agree are the best/most
important plugins. InspectionGadgets, SQL Query Plugin, Rearranger, etc. are
all right up there.

You're right that a voting system would give a better indication though.

Vil.

Dan Hardiker wrote:

Vilya Harvey wrote:

>> FYI the plugin manager in 996 (not sure about previous versions) lets
>> you sort the plugins by number of downloads. That seems to give a
>> pretty good picture of which are the top 10 plugins.


Just because you download a plugin doesnt mean you find it good! Take
the winamp visualisations - some of the highest ranked are there because
people wondered what they did so dl'ed them ... not because they were
the most useful.

A voting / reviewing system allows for better feedback and a more
accurate representation of consumer opinion.


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Vilya Harvey
vilya.harvey@digitalsteps.com / digital steps /
(W) +44 (0)1483 469 480
(M) +44 (0)7816 678 457 http://www.digitalsteps.com/

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Doesn't sound like a good idea. Keep it light weight, and install plugins with the plugin manager.

That will mean less process, less maintenance, and less work for the intellij guys. And fewer support emails to jet brains for non-jet brains code.

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+1000!!!

And also i think, that JetBrains will not want to include in IDEA distributinve some plugins, that can't be supported by JetBrains.

So as we know, plugins are developed continous, also new IDEA EAP build sometimes crashes some plugins (becouse API changes etc).

I agree with Russel Egan - MUST be use JetBrains Plugin Manager.
Thanks!

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I think it must be recommendation ONLY, not bundling. Like "JetBrain recommend follow plugins in IDEA: ...", and follow "JetBrains used follow plugins for IDEA development: ..."

Thanks again!

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Ugh, please do not ever include any plugins in the download.

I'm proud to say I have yet to find a single useful plugin (the only two I actually managed to use for more than 5 minutes were hungry backspace and ideajad).

The rest are mostly (I repeat, MOSTLY) handy toys, providing shortcuts that are (to me) more hassle to learn to use than the actual benefit they might give.

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Sounds like you're missing out on some good stuff. But isn't ignorance
bliss ;)

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Hani Suleiman wrote:

Ugh, please do not ever include any plugins in the download.

I'm proud to say I have yet to find a single useful plugin (the only two I actually managed to use for more than 5 minutes were hungry backspace and ideajad).

The rest are mostly (I repeat, MOSTLY) handy toys, providing shortcuts that are (to me) more hassle to learn to use than the actual benefit they might give.

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compromise : They should advertise the plugins more. none of my co workers know they exist. maybe add a plugin link to a more prominant place on intellj.com download. also add it as a "hint" that pops up when you start Idea.

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Definitely TabSwitch. I don't know why this isn't built into the base
product, and mappable to Ctrl-Tab/Ctrl-Shift-Tab out of the box. It's the
number one plug-in I use (since I use it constantly, unlike the others which
I use from time to time specifically when I invoke them).

"Marcus Brito" <pazu@animegaiden.com.br> wrote in message
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Our community has produced some really good plugins, some of which I
can't really live without anymore, and some of which really made the
mind of some of partners of mine to try out idea.

>

Of course, I'm talking about the Inspection Gadgets.

>

So, what I'm considering here is for JetBrains guys to bundle some
hand-choosen plugins ready to use with IDEA. Now, two questions:

>

1) For Jetbrainers: is there any slight chance that this could happen?
2) For the community: which plugins would you like to see bundled?

>

My vote is for the inspection gadgets and maybe the SQL plugin.

>

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