Discussion: New Settings

Hi all,

I just installed 996 and so far I have to say good job this time! The only thing I'm not quite satified with is the new way of editing the project and general settings. Personally I preferred the old way. In my opinion I could browse my settings faster since I didn't have to close each settings section with 'ok' or 'cancel' except I changed a setting.

What do other EAP members think about the new settings menu???

-Steffen

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-1 for tab panes to separate each settings group (currently large
icons), because
a) they would arrange in multiple rows (bad)
b) tabs within tabs are very bad

Tom

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They wouldn't arrange in multiple rows (at least, how I see it in my head :P). I'd think just a few tabs in the outer level, and that would guarantee a single row.

You're probably right about tabs within tabs. It could get confusing if you didn't understanding the ordering of the panel.

--Dan

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I wasn't so much arguing for or against a particular feature (I don't care for the dynamically sized dialogs, either, and much of the other stuff is "just eye candy"), but the net result is highly polished, whereas the swing result looks and feels more workman-like.

You're absolutely right that it can look good, and it likely will, with another pass at tidying things up. But I don't see how it could ever achieve the level of polish you find in a highly polished native interface (I'd included the better-executed parts of XP and even some of the work in the X-based systems, although they tend toward the polish level of swing).

My bottom line is that this is, and should be, a developer app: clean to look at and functional to the gills, especially for the power user. As pointed out elsewhere, this is particularly difficult when power users come in different stripes: keyboard centric, mouse centric, scripters, etc.

mike

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No opinion
Don't care
I like the NEW settings icon palette better.
I like the OLD settings dialog MUCH MUCH better.

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  • Allow for arrow/enter key navigation. Let the user navigate to the icon they

want using the arrow keys and then open it using enter. Do this in addition to
the current number/alpha shortcuts though, and not instead of.

Done.

  • When closing a sub-dialog, the last selected item should still be shown as

selected, so arrow-right + enter would goto and open the next item.

Done.

  • Make the dialogs non-modal. If a user wants to open more than one sub-dialog

at a time, this should be allowed.

It somewhat impossible due to some settings depends on others and cannot be
updated/merged while being edited.

and one more suggestion that is not like the windows control panel:

  • allow the main settings dialog to be docked for easy access.

We had an idea to make settings a toolwindow like project or messages.

or if you REALLY want it to look nice, make the docked settings dialog behave
like the OS/X dock, with auto-resizing icons and a transparent background. Now
THAT would be cool... :)

Agreed. But it seem to be too much work for a moment.


--
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


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Dirk Dittert wrote:

Carlos Costa e Silva <carlos@keysoft.pt> wrote:

I can say that after two and a half years of using idea, i haven't
the faintest idea what the icons in the list of options look like
:)


But that is not necessarily a problem of UI design but of bad choice
of icons. Or maybe you just don't remember then conciously?

Dirk Dittert



You must have been daydreaming about the playmate icons suggested by
Alain and part of the post skipped by :)


I wrote:

I find that most of the time, abstract icons do not
significantly add legibility to lists of items.


and then:

I can say that after two and a half years of using
idea, i haven't the faintest idea what the icons in
the list of options look like :)



Very possibly the fault lies with the author of the post (me :)
reading it again, it could benefit from a paragraph refactoring :)

Carlos

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If there were a beautifier plugin, with a playmate as an icon, I'm
sure you would remember it, and also spot it in a snap.


Hmm. Maybe you're right, but I'm already seeing some problems with your
suggestion:

1. Big fight among the developers for getting the best/most good
looking playmate icon for their option entry - it's obvious that the
best looking icons will be the ones most clicked on.

2. Lots of lost productivity as users suddenly get very discontented
with their settings and have to change them every five minutes.

3. After a time users will be even more vocal demanding new
configuration settings from jetbrains.


That would be a little dry, wouldn't it? I'd prefer
small icons on the left.



Ok, No need to be to radical. Small icons can stay.


No small playmates though. Everyone wold get eyestrain looking at the
icons.


Carlos

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Carlos Costa e Silva <carlos@keysoft.pt> wrote:

You must have been daydreaming about the playmate icons suggested by
Alain and part of the post skipped by :)


You got me! Next time I'll try to hide it better ;)

Dirk Dittert

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IDEA is the best IDE on the market because it makes a developer's life easier. However I must agree with people who find the new layout of the settings is actually a step backwards.

My team has been focusing more on usability studies and most of them agree that pop-up dialogs are a hastle and should be minimized. Sometimes I want to change a single setting and I am not positive where it is located. Having one dialog where I can browse all the settings is extremely convenient.

On a side note it would be nice to have a button on the tool bar for faster access to 'Configure Project' settings because I think that tweeking modules and libraries would be done more often than setting other project settings.

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In 998, they added an icon for 'Modules' under Project Settings. Now that's one change I like. All the settings from one location.
(I still don't like the icon pallete with popup dialogs!)

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:07:02 +0000, Alex wrote:

In 998, they added an icon for 'Modules' under Project Settings. Now
that's one change I like. All the settings from one location. (I still
don't like the icon pallete with popup dialogs!)


However I get an exception thrown whenever I try and close this dialog :(

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I do not like the new UI too.

1. One have to do more mouse click to get the job done.

2. Some of the dialogs are too big too fit on the screen, for example "Code Style", the buttons are barely visible(hidden behind the taskbar) with my screen resolution of 1024 X 768.

3. In the Modules dialog, "Add Content Entry" looks more like a header then a add button to me, unless one does a mouse over it.

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Same here, I can't save the module settings :(

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