Poll: Do You use EAPs for daily production (real) work

This question stems from the 908 fiasco and an interesting comment I read
from Evgeny: "First, it's not the first time people claim that "using EAP
for the real work is not the way it was intended for". Really ? So what was
it intended for ? Playing at home ? Developing open-source ?..."

He's got a point. Only by using it for real work do we get to pound on it
hard and truly dig up the nasty bugs or usability issues that would never be
discovered at home playing with it on a Sunday morning.

So....what's the verdict. Do most of us use it for real work (I do). I'm
just curious, but I think this data would be valuable for Jetbrains.


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I use it for real work, but I know it's pre-beta code. As such I expect it to work like pre-beta code. Lots of stuff will not work and it will sometimes bite me. I am willing to take that risk to have the added benefit of seeing features early and having a voice in how they are implemented.

I prefer this because if intellij hired lots of testers and shut down eap then we would have to wait for features and their price would have to reflect the extra liability of all those testers.

With the last release it deleted all my source code, so I have to say oh well and go on working.

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I do, and I've had very few problems with it overall.

I keep an installation of Ariadna handy just in case, but there's only been
once when I've actually had to go back to it. That was quite early on in the
Aurora EAP, so I can't remember the specifics. I do remember that a new
build which I could use again was available fairly quickly on that occasion.

Vil.

Michael Morett wrote:

This question stems from the 908 fiasco and an interesting comment I read
from Evgeny: "First, it's not the first time people claim that "using EAP
for the real work is not the way it was intended for". Really ? So what was
it intended for ? Playing at home ? Developing open-source ?..."

He's got a point. Only by using it for real work do we get to pound on it
hard and truly dig up the nasty bugs or usability issues that would never be
discovered at home playing with it on a Sunday morning.

So....what's the verdict. Do most of us use it for real work (I do). I'm
just curious, but I think this data would be valuable for Jetbrains.


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Real work, or not at all. If it doesn't work, I skip a version.

Mike

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Michael Morett wrote:

This question stems from the 908 fiasco and an interesting comment I read
from Evgeny: "First, it's not the first time people claim that "using EAP
for the real work is not the way it was intended for". Really ? So what was
it intended for ? Playing at home ? Developing open-source ?..."

He's got a point. Only by using it for real work do we get to pound on it
hard and truly dig up the nasty bugs or usability issues that would never be
discovered at home playing with it on a Sunday morning.

So....what's the verdict. Do most of us use it for real work (I do). I'm
just curious, but I think this data would be valuable for Jetbrains.



I use it for real work. Although working without a real (external) version
control system is like walking the high wire without a net. I don't use it
for projects without CVS backing.

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I use it for real work everyday.

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Same here (but thank god on src code deleted yet)

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I'm using it

1) daily
2) for production
3) in real work
4) at home
5) between

THANKS FOR EAP,

Bastian

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Real work. And it was just once in the early days that I needed to go back a
couple of builds (when the new cvs integration was introduced and had some
problems), mainly because I didn't want to rely on command line cvs.

I don't even have an Ariadna build installed, I deleted it long ago (I just
keep a bunch of previous builds, in case I need to fall back to one of
them).

HTH,
Andrei

"Michael Morett" <michaelmorett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bildp5$8oi$1@is.intellij.net...

This question stems from the 908 fiasco and an interesting comment I read
from Evgeny: "First, it's not the first time people claim that "using EAP
for the real work is not the way it was intended for". Really ? So what

was

it intended for ? Playing at home ? Developing open-source ?..."

>

He's got a point. Only by using it for real work do we get to pound on it
hard and truly dig up the nasty bugs or usability issues that would never

be

discovered at home playing with it on a Sunday morning.

>

So....what's the verdict. Do most of us use it for real work (I do). I'm
just curious, but I think this data would be valuable for Jetbrains.

>
>


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Real work.

Sometimes I go back, but not with pleasure.. :)

I think that is why people can get annoyed : the EAPs are good enough for real work, so you kind of start to depend on the new features.

PS. 908 did a pretyy good job today (after one restart)

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I use the EAP builds for real work. I keep a copy of guaranteed-working installed on my system, JIC. My company uses Visual Sourcesafe for version control, so CVS integration doesn't really bother me that much.

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I use the EAP releases to watch my kids while I'm at work. So far so
good, but yesterday I got home and my son had eaten a bottle of glue
right infront of the monitor and IntelliJ didn't do anything about it.

I really wish JetBrains tested these releases more :)

Michael Morett wrote:

This question stems from the 908 fiasco and an interesting comment I read
from Evgeny: "First, it's not the first time people claim that "using EAP
for the real work is not the way it was intended for". Really ? So what was
it intended for ? Playing at home ? Developing open-source ?..."

He's got a point. Only by using it for real work do we get to pound on it
hard and truly dig up the nasty bugs or usability issues that would never be
discovered at home playing with it on a Sunday morning.

So....what's the verdict. Do most of us use it for real work (I do). I'm
just curious, but I think this data would be valuable for Jetbrains.


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Real work.

P.S.
I think answers speak for themselves. I have to be right sometimes :)

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"Michael Morett" <michaelmorett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bildp5$8oi$1@is.intellij.net...

This question stems from the 908 fiasco

What 908 fiasco? This is a beta program folks. If you want something
stable, use the release builds.

So....what's the verdict. Do most of us use it for real work (I do). I'm
just curious, but I think this data would be valuable for Jetbrains.


Yes - I always take the latest versions. If they don't work, I go back to a
previous release - no big deal. I like the bleeding edge. Others on our team
don't. They use a release build. Still others are middle-of-the-road and
they wait for me to say a new build is usable.

--
Jordan Zimmerman
http://www.jordanzimmerman.com


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Real Work - however I never depend on anything that I cant revert to.

e.g. we use cvs integration and I had to roll back a build for a while until
that was satisfactorly fixed (as it now is) ... didnt have a problem with it
at all.

Tested or not - I love the way in which EAP builds are rolled out. Just
requires the people on the preview program to use a few more of their
braincells than they may be used to.


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Michael Kirby wrote:

Real work, or not at all. If it doesn't work, I skip a version.

Mike

Yeah I'm more in Mike's group. If it works I'll use it and report, if
it stops me I file a report on the spot where I stopped, and then I go
back to 3.0.4v2.

I don't care that things don't work, I'd like them to, but I don't
always expect them to.

R

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Evgeny Goldin wrote:

Real work.

P.S.
I think answers speak for themselves. I have to be right sometimes :)


No you're still wrong, we use it but we don't bash JetBrainers. (I know
I know you appologized... beer and all)

R

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Real work, as well as fun stuff. I think I've had to drop down a version about three times in the two years I've been running EAP software. Otherwise, it's always been stable enough. I keep the last few EAPs available, and never, ever, install over them.

Come to think of it, I've probably only run an officially released version for three months total in that time, in between the Ariadna release and the first Aurora EAP. I doubt I even still have a release copy around, due to changing laptops three times since I bought a license...

--Dave

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I use the EAPs for corporate production-work (we have a license for the 3.0
version). I always keep around the last few versions in case the latest one
has problems. I stuck with 873 for a while because I had a problem with a
plug-in that I was using, but then I went to 896 once the plug-in was
updated. I tried 908, but had major problems, so I backed off to 896.

I totally expect each new build to cause some problems, after all they are
"early access" test releases. However, I'm thrilled that I'm able to use
EAP instead of waiting many months for new features.

;ted


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I use it for real production work. I have 3.x on backup just in case. I
really don't have any compaints. I am a developer, I know how you can't
write perfect code everytime and I think JetBrains does a pretty good job
with its EAP builds. I do run into occasional problems but I don't get upset
and just work around them unless its critical and I can use 3.x

What as kept me from running into all these weird issues is by installing
into a clean dir EVERYTIME and by keeping my caches stored in the install
dir thereby each new install will rebuild the cache for my project.

--Grant


"Michael Morett" <michaelmorett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bildp5$8oi$1@is.intellij.net...

This question stems from the 908 fiasco and an interesting comment I read
from Evgeny: "First, it's not the first time people claim that "using EAP
for the real work is not the way it was intended for". Really ? So what

was

it intended for ? Playing at home ? Developing open-source ?..."

>

He's got a point. Only by using it for real work do we get to pound on it
hard and truly dig up the nasty bugs or usability issues that would never

be

discovered at home playing with it on a Sunday morning.

>

So....what's the verdict. Do most of us use it for real work (I do). I'm
just curious, but I think this data would be valuable for Jetbrains.

>
>


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Yes. All I do is real work. I do so with the understanding, though, that I may have to go back to a previous version. Since I keep all my code in CVS, I'm not really concerned about IDEA deleting my source.

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Exactly the same for me.

Jordan Zimmerman wrote:

Yes - I always take the latest versions. If they don't work, I go back to a
previous release - no big deal. I like the bleeding edge. Others on our team
don't. They use a release build. Still others are middle-of-the-road and
they wait for me to say a new build is usable.



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Me too.

Francesco

Real work, or not at all. If it doesn't work, I skip
a version.

Mike


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+1

Bastian Guddat wrote:

I'm using it

>

1) daily
2) for production
3) in real work
4) at home
5) between

>

THANKS FOR EAP,

>

Bastian



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'work' (school) but also O.S. stuff

regards
drP

PS. EAP++

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I use it for real work. And i've never had a major problem in a build!

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I use it for real work all of the time. I have since the start of EAP and not had any major problems. The odd occasion I have had to work around something, particularly CVS in the early days, but that's the nature of EAPs. Now we have Hot Swapping during debugging it's even better.

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Like many others, I use it for real work but I expect things to break
now and then.

I don't really worry too much about losing source code due to bugs in
IDEA. I check everything into a version control system now and then,
daily backups are taken of the version control system so even if a build
would suddenly delete all files from the VCS I can revert to an older
version, and now and then I burn copies of all my projects onto CDs.
Source code being deleted due to a major bug would be very annoying but
not a disaster.

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:) Sounds like a good tagline for the product.

Me too.

N.

Russell Egan wrote:

real work. all the time.



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