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Where did you find build 657?

Amnon I. Govrin wrote:

How come it is so large? Almost twice as big as 655...

Just wandering...

Amnon


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there is a JRE dir in it...

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They included JRE in zip file.
Probably by mistake.

"Amnon I. Govrin" <agovrin@freshwater.com> wrote in message
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How come it is so large? Almost twice as big as 655...

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Just wandering...

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Amnon

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Hmm... Indeed. And yet there is no announcement? I'll wait ;)

Ian Zabel wrote:

http://www.intellij.com/eap/downloads/


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No I don't think it is a a mistake.. If u check the idea.bat file, u will
see they have modified the code.
SET JAVA_EXE=%IDEA_HOME%\jre\bin\java.exe
Previously users had to change the idea.bat file to point to their JAVA_HOME
directory on their computer. Now I think Intellij wants users to use the
jre that comes with the IDE by default.

Saumendra


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Vagif,

This is not a mistake. All future builds of Ariadna (the same way as
release) will include JRE in it. IDEA should be runned only under JRE
included in download. Please update your .bat & .sh files.

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Hm, don't you need the tools.jar from the JDK for IDEA? Or may one
distribute this now with the JRE?

Tom


On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:57:24 +0400, "Mike Aizatsky" <mike@intellij.com>
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Vagif,

This is not a mistake. All future builds of Ariadna (the same way as
release) will include JRE in it. IDEA should be runned only under JRE
included in download. Please update your .bat & .sh files.

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Current Sun license allows to distribute tools.jar.

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Why do we need to run IDEA using the bundled JRE as opposed to the one
already installed on our systems?



"Mike Aizatsky" <mike@intellij.com> wrote in message
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Vagif,

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This is not a mistake. All future builds of Ariadna (the same way as
release) will include JRE in it. IDEA should be runned only under JRE
included in download. Please update your .bat & .sh files.

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Mike Aizatsky.
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http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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First of all, release version of IDEA will be installed on systems without
JDK/JRE and it will be runned there properly. As the second reason it
simplifies us UI creation a lot: each version of JDK has its own bugs and
focusing on one specific JRE frees some time to work on other things.

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"Ian" <ilittlewood@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Why do we need to run IDEA using the bundled JRE as opposed to the one
already installed on our systems?


I think the answer to this question is that Jetbrains wants u to use JRE
1.4.1 for IDEA 3.0, and there maybe some users that have JRE lower then 1.4,
which might cause problems for IDEA 3.0 to run. So to solve this issue, they
just bundled IDEA with JRE 1.4.1, so that everyone is using JRE 1.4.1 to run
IDEA 3.0 by default.
But I think there should be an option for users to download IDEA 3.0 without
having the JRE 1.4.1 bundled in it, where the user will edit the idea.bat or
idea.sh file and map it to their java home directory containing the Java 1.4
sdk.

Saumendra


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First of all, release version of IDEA will be
installed on systems without JDK/JRE and it will
be runned there properly.


??? Who needs IDEA on a system with no JDK ???

As the second reason it simplifies us UI creation
a lot: each version of JDK has its own bugs and
focusing on one specific JRE frees some time to work
on other things.


Fine, if that's the problem then define a specific
version as requirement (would be 1.4.1-b21 for 657).

Those who have that already installed won't need to
download it again, waste the space and have the OS
cache binaries, libs and files of both installations.

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I agree, to an extent. As a developer I have often installed a JRE with the app,
because installing a JRE separately on a system has its own problems.
But since this is primarily a tool for developers, requiring 1.4.1 JRE
(while shipping tools.jar with IDEA) is not an unreasonable demand. And some apps,
especially developer-oriented ones, have 2 installers, one with JRE and one without.

Saumendra Poddar wrote:

"Ian" <ilittlewood@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>Why do we need to run IDEA using the bundled JRE as opposed to the one
>>already installed on our systems?


I think the answer to this question is that Jetbrains wants u to use JRE
1.4.1 for IDEA 3.0, and there maybe some users that have JRE lower then 1.4,
which might cause problems for IDEA 3.0 to run. So to solve this issue, they
just bundled IDEA with JRE 1.4.1, so that everyone is using JRE 1.4.1 to run
IDEA 3.0 by default.
But I think there should be an option for users to download IDEA 3.0 without
having the JRE 1.4.1 bundled in it, where the user will edit the idea.bat or
idea.sh file and map it to their java home directory containing the Java 1.4
sdk.

Saumendra



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Unfortunately, that's quite a common situation for "regular" (non-eap) users
not to have JDK at all or a "good" JDK. JDK-specific checking will greatly
increase the number of support issues (almost half of support requests is
about IDEA setup).

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I was hoping it was that simple. The statement that we "MUST" use the JRE
shipped with IDEA had me a little concerned that there might have been some
app-specific modifications made to the JRE that was bundled.


"Saumendra Poddar" <greencap@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Ian" <ilittlewood@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Why do we need to run IDEA using the bundled JRE as opposed to the one
already installed on our systems?

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I think the answer to this question is that Jetbrains wants u to use JRE
1.4.1 for IDEA 3.0, and there maybe some users that have JRE lower then

1.4,

which might cause problems for IDEA 3.0 to run. So to solve this issue,

they

just bundled IDEA with JRE 1.4.1, so that everyone is using JRE 1.4.1 to

run

IDEA 3.0 by default.
But I think there should be an option for users to download IDEA 3.0

without

having the JRE 1.4.1 bundled in it, where the user will edit the idea.bat

or

idea.sh file and map it to their java home directory containing the Java

1.4

sdk.

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Saumendra

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