What's next?

I'd like to see the UNDO function fixed ... :(

me too! often it stops working in most simple cases - very annoying not
being able to rely on it


"Rayz" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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I'd like to see the UNDO function fixed ... :(

In article <cef371$qot$1@is.intellij.net>,
"Rob Abbe" <rabbe@ntierior.com> wrote:

So what great features can we look forward to in the next release?

Here's a list:

<http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/browse?_pageSize=5&_searchDefs=0&_s
ortList1=14&_ascending=false&_secondSortEnabled=false&doSort=true>

The #1 voted-for feature is subversion integration with 5816 votes (7%).

There are a lot of other features in that list, so I guess it will be a
bit of a wait. Hopefully the features get implemented in order of total
number of votes so we'll get subversion in the first EAP. (We've decided
not to switch our project from CVS to Subversion until there is good
support for it in IDEA.)


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Erik Hanson

Oh, and I'd like to see it rebuilt from the ground up, so that it's a lot more modular (like Eclipse).

That way, long standing bugs and problems should be easier to find, and third party modules easier to write.

Not much chance though; I think we've gone a bit too far for a rebuild now.

There are a lot of other features in that list, so I guess it will be a bit of a wait. Hopefully the features get implemented in order of total number of votes so we'll get subversion in the first EAP. (We've decided not to switch our project from CVS to Subversion until there is good support for it in IDEA.)

I don't think that the decision will be based solely on the voting system, but also on what's going on in the Java community outside.

The problem with the votes is that it can be difficult to build a real picture; JSP2.0 scores highly too, but further down the page we have similar requests that also request improvements for JSP, and support for XML/JSP. Which indicates to me that full JSP is at least as popular.

There are already a couple of plug-ins for SubVersion, and that the point of the whole Plug-In architecture is to support third-parties in this way.

Having said that though, I think SubVersion will pick up, so it may be a good idea to have a plug-in maintained by JetBrains, rather than a third-party who might just drop support and leave everyone high and dry.

Rayz wrote:

Oh, and I'd like to see it rebuilt from the ground up, so that it's a lot more modular (like Eclipse).

Would you please be a bit more specific? What modularity you miss in IDEA? And why you think it needs to be rebuilt?

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Hi Maxim,

Here's an example: as a plugin developer, I'd really like the Open API to allow the tight integration of a scripting language such as Groovy, please see:

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=18&thread=83557#861701
http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=23&thread=85036&tstart=0&trange=100#914827
http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=18&thread=87986#2435894

I understand that IDEA 5.0 will have some form of JavaScript integration, so could we reasonably expect JetBrains to open it up during the next EAP cycle?

Regards,

Franck

Franck Rasolo wrote:

While API extention you're talking about surely makes sense I have to warn there's no final decision taken about
JavaScript support.

Hi Maxim,

Here's an example: as a plugin developer, I'd really like the Open API to allow the tight integration of a scripting language such as Groovy, please see:

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=18&thread=83557#861701
http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=23&thread=85036&tstart=0&trange=100#914827
http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=18&thread=87986#2435894

I understand that IDEA 5.0 will have some form of JavaScript integration, so could we reasonably expect JetBrains to open it up during the next EAP cycle?

Regards,

Franck

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Maxim Shafirov
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"Develop with pleasure!"

Sure, I'm not overly bothered about the JavaScript integration itself. I'm more interested in an Open API extension that would allow us to build such integrations.

Could opening parts of the AspectJ integration help us in this regard?

Franck Rasolo wrote:

Sure, I'm not overly bothered about the JavaScript integration itself. I'm more interested in an Open API extension that would allow us to build such integrations.

Could opening parts of the AspectJ integration help us in this regard?

I am affraid no since at least PSI implementation is closed. We're seriously considering opening up a possibility to
define custom language parsers at the moment.

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"Develop with pleasure!"

That's encouraging news! Do you need me to submit an RFE via the ITN tracker? Or is there already one for this?

Thanks for keeping us posted!

Franck

Franck Rasolo wrote:

Do you need me to submit an RFE via the ITN tracker? Or is there already one for this?

No need for that. Kind of too heavy issue to be lost...

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Maxim Shafirov
IntelliJ Labs / JetBrains Inc.
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

ThoughtLink with MDB and Fabrique support.

ThoughtLink, You think it IntelliJ codes it. Ideas new neuron to bytecode translation technology allows you to fully realize the power of AOP.

MDB (Magic Data Binding) allows for automatic coding of cross dbms persistance. This new technology serializes your schematic memory and translates it into java code and even dynamically creates a JCA compatible driver. (JDO will be implemented when it gets into the J2EE spec. Hibernate/Spring support will be available via plugins.)

Fabrique integration. You think it, IntelliJ codes it. Just think of the UI for you application and you're done. Just dont have dirty thoughts.

I'd love to see some of the "small" but significant features that have been
around for quite some time now:

1. Some way to reorder tabs -- it can't be that hard and would tremendously
increase my productivity!
2. Ignore an intention at a specific place in the code after I've looked at
it and decided I'm fine with it (Alt-Shift-Enter to ignore?)
3. Stop allowing breakpoints when they'd never be activated instead of
putting an "X" breakpoint on the line.
4. Turn a line breakpoint specified on a method into a method breakpoint!

;ted

"Rayz" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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+There are a lot of other features in that list, so I guess it will be a

bit of a wait. Hopefully the features get implemented in order of total
number of votes so we'll get subversion in the first EAP. (We've decided not
to switch our project from CVS to Subversion until there is good support for
it in IDEA.)+
>

I don't think that the decision will be based solely on the voting system,

but also on what's going on in the Java community outside.
>

The problem with the votes is that it can be difficult to build a real

picture; JSP2.0 scores highly too, but further down the page we have similar
requests that also request improvements for JSP, and support for XML/JSP.
Which indicates to me that full JSP is at least as popular.
>

There are already a couple of plug-ins for SubVersion, and that the point

of the whole Plug-In architecture is to support third-parties in this way.
>

Having said that though, I think SubVersion will pick up, so it may be a

good idea to have a plug-in maintained by JetBrains, rather than a
third-party who might just drop support and leave everyone high and dry.
>

ditto, undo is so flaky.

"(We've decided not to switch our project from CVS to Subversion until there is good support for it in IDEA.)"

same here....

We're seriously considering opening up a
possibility to
define custom language parsers at the moment.

+1

Francesco

Andre Mermegas wrote:

ditto, undo is so flaky.

Any particular reproducible scenario?

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"Develop with pleasure!"

Our IT guys are very keen on going to Subversion, but the developers had
to put it on hold because none of our IDE's give adequate support.

Ralf Kraus wrote:

>"(We've decided not to switch our project from CVS to Subversion until there is good support for it in IDEA.)"
>
>same here....

>

I have no idea how to reproduce it consistently. But it happens quite
often to me that I select some part of a file, cut it out using Ctrl+X
and paste it somewhere else using Ctrl+V. Pressing undo once removes the
pasted code block again, but pressing undo a second time doesn't do
anything.

Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

Andre Mermegas wrote:

>> ditto, undo is so flaky.

Any particular reproducible scenario?

You'd like undo across files... Which would be cool, as long as idea focuses
the proper tab when it undoes the changes, since you could be pressing undo
and things get undone but you don't know where.

R


On 8/3/04 9:56 AM, in article ceo5hq$j29$1@is.intellij.net, "Martin Fuhrer"
<mf@fuhrer.com> wrote:

I have no idea how to reproduce it consistently. But it happens quite
often to me that I select some part of a file, cut it out using Ctrl+X
and paste it somewhere else using Ctrl+V. Pressing undo once removes the
pasted code block again, but pressing undo a second time doesn't do
anything.

Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

>> Andre Mermegas wrote:
>>
>>> ditto, undo is so flaky.
>>
>> Any particular reproducible scenario?
>>

Nope, I stay in the same file. I just cut something and paste it
somewhere else in the same file. No other keystrokes (or mouse gestures)
than CtrlX, CursorUp, CtrlV, then CtrlZ, CtrlZ.

Robert S. Sfeir wrote:

You'd like undo across files... Which would be cool, as long as idea focuses
the proper tab when it undoes the changes, since you could be pressing undo
and things get undone but you don't know where.

R


On 8/3/04 9:56 AM, in article ceo5hq$j29$1@is.intellij.net, "Martin Fuhrer"
<mf@fuhrer.com> wrote:

>>I have no idea how to reproduce it consistently. But it happens quite
>>often to me that I select some part of a file, cut it out using Ctrl+X
>>and paste it somewhere else using Ctrl+V. Pressing undo once removes the
>>pasted code block again, but pressing undo a second time doesn't do
>>anything.
>>
>>Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>
>>>Andre Mermegas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ditto, undo is so flaky.
>>>
>>>Any particular reproducible scenario?
>>>

Martin Fuhrer wrote:

Nope, I stay in the same file. I just cut something and paste it
somewhere else in the same file. No other keystrokes (or mouse gestures)
than CtrlX, CursorUp, CtrlV, then CtrlZ, CtrlZ.

Undo used to set you up into the condition (caret position, selection) that happened after action to be undone is
executed first. Pressing Ctrl+Z one more time will actually undo the action. Isn't that what confuses you?

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IntelliJ Labs / JetBrains Inc.
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

No, I can hit Ctrl+Z as many times as I want, nothing is undone anymore.

The same already happened with:
- selecting a block of code
- deleting with Backspace
- writing something else (in the same file!)
- pressing Ctrl+Z several times
The newly written code is removed (i.e. undone), but the previously
deleted code isn't restored. For gods sake there's local VCS...

As I said, I can't reproduce it, but it happens let's say once a day.
And I don't remember when I first noticed it. At least in 4.0 EAP it
happened already.

Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

Martin Fuhrer wrote:

>> Nope, I stay in the same file. I just cut something and paste it
>> somewhere else in the same file. No other keystrokes (or mouse
>> gestures) than CtrlX, CursorUp, CtrlV, then CtrlZ, CtrlZ.

Undo used to set you up into the condition (caret position, selection)
that happened after action to be undone is executed first. Pressing
Ctrl+Z one more time will actually undo the action. Isn't that what
confuses you?

Try to hit Ctrl-Z fast(!) multiple-times.

Tom

Thomas Singer (MoTJ) wrote:

Try to hit Ctrl-Z fast(!) multiple-times.

Tom

??!

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In article <410F97CF.2090504@spam.com>,
Norris Shelton <no_reply@spam.com> wrote:

Our IT guys are very keen on going to Subversion, but the developers had
to put it on hold because none of our IDE's give adequate support.

Some of our IDEs do, so I have a strong suspicion that Subversion is
coming here within the next quarter. Those without get to live in the
command line.

Scott

In article <cemdtm$43o$1@is.intellij.net>,
"Ted M. Young" <tedzzzz@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'd love to see some of the "small" but significant features that have been
around for quite some time now:

1. Some way to reorder tabs -- it can't be that hard and would tremendously
increase my productivity!

Multiple editor window support!

Scott

the same here undo breaks some time - does nothing

"Martin Fuhrer" <mf@fuhrer.com> wrote in message
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No, I can hit Ctrl+Z as many times as I want, nothing is undone anymore.

>

The same already happened with:
- selecting a block of code
- deleting with Backspace
- writing something else (in the same file!)
- pressing Ctrl+Z several times
The newly written code is removed (i.e. undone), but the previously
deleted code isn't restored. For gods sake there's local VCS...

>

As I said, I can't reproduce it, but it happens let's say once a day.
And I don't remember when I first noticed it. At least in 4.0 EAP it
happened already.

>

Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

Martin Fuhrer wrote:

>
>> Nope, I stay in the same file. I just cut something and paste it
>> somewhere else in the same file. No other keystrokes (or mouse
>> gestures) than CtrlX, CursorUp, CtrlV, then CtrlZ, CtrlZ.
>
>

Undo used to set you up into the condition (caret position, selection)
that happened after action to be undone is executed first. Pressing
Ctrl+Z one more time will actually undo the action. Isn't that what
confuses you?

>

Hi Maxim,

A search in the ITN tracker has produced the following list of UNDO-related issues:

http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=35265
http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=36266
http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=35156
http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=34511

The TestDox IDEA Plugin itself implements operations that create classes and methods. These can be consistently undone under IDEA 4.0.x but not under IDEA 4.5.x. Please see both CreateClassCommand and AddMethodCommand inner classes respectively for implementation details:

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/checkout/agiledox/testdox-plugin/src/java/net/sourceforge/testdox/IntelliJAPI.java?rev=1.14

Could it be that these issues, and more specifically this problem, be a regression? See:

http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=10359


Thanks,

Franck