Tracker: how it is going to work

Eugene Belyaev wrote:

Our JIRA contains 3 projects related to IDEA:

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How can I link them to newsgroups (in Thunderbird), or email threads?


Alain

You can subscribe to their RSS feeds to get notifications.

Best regards,

Eugene Belyaev
President, CTO
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com

"Develop with pleasure!"

Eugene Belyaev wrote:

>> Our JIRA contains 3 projects related to IDEA:
>>

How can I link them to newsgroups (in Thunderbird), or email threads?

Alain

Sounds great - how often will you be trawling through the backlog? How
far apart are the milestones? Is there a beauty contest (voting, etc.)
where we can influence which requests make it through from Feedback to
Backlog to Development?

R

Eugene

You can subscribe to their RSS feeds to get notifications.

>

Could you please elaborate a little, in the interest of everybody.
I'm clueless. Look at this page:
http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEADEV

No RSS on the page, no indication, nothing. Where, what, for whom. It's
bloated. I'm pissed.
If this web stuff is the only interface between you and us, I'll take
the back seat.

Alain

Alain,

I understand your frustration here. Just let us finish the things, we will
add all the required info to those pages.

Best regards,

Eugene Belyaev
President, CTO
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com

"Develop with pleasure!"

Eugene

>> You can subscribe to their RSS feeds to get notifications.
>>

Could you please elaborate a little, in the interest of everybody.
I'm clueless. Look at this page:
http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEADEV
No RSS on the page, no indication, nothing. Where, what, for whom.
It's
bloated. I'm pissed.
If this web stuff is the only interface between you and us, I'll take
the back seat.
Alain

Cool. This looks like a process somewhat similar to what we're doing
internally, though with the added element of EAP.

Of course, it would still have to be managed correctly to avoid issue
starvation (when the balance between ease of implementation and
importance is not kept).

So I guess the next EAP will report exceptions to JIRA?

Amnon

Amnon,

We are still thinking about what to do with exceptions. Usually they are
of two types:

1. things that can be fixed easily just because a developer overlooked some
condition: like boundary values, something can be null, etc. These can easily
be fixed and should just get fixed. Reporting on these does not make a lot
of sense for the users as well. Another thing is that EAP build exceptions
usually either should get fixed immediately or they become obsolete when
the next build gets published because a lot of code changes all the time.

2. Serious issues that need investigation and often should get accompanied
by a corresponding request that gets planned. So an exception results in
a request with a link to the original exception stack trace.

After a lot of experience in managing exception traces we do not think it
is correct to treat them as regular requests because they have a pretty different
life cycle as I described above. We are thinking of having a special system
for managing exceptions with an easy ability to link them to the tracker.

Best regards,

Eugene Belyaev
President, CTO
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com

"Develop with pleasure!"

Cool. This looks like a process somewhat similar to what we're doing
internally, though with the added element of EAP.

Of course, it would still have to be managed correctly to avoid issue
starvation (when the balance between ease of implementation and
importance is not kept).

So I guess the next EAP will report exceptions to JIRA?

Amnon

We have a new space at http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/IDEADEV/Home
that eventually will replace the old intellij.net web site. You may comment
on the pages and we will be creating all the needed pages to help you get
around.

Best regards,

Eugene Belyaev
President, CTO
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com

"Develop with pleasure!"

Eugene

>> You can subscribe to their RSS feeds to get notifications.
>>

Could you please elaborate a little, in the interest of everybody.
I'm clueless. Look at this page:
http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEADEV
No RSS on the page, no indication, nothing. Where, what, for whom.
It's
bloated. I'm pissed.
If this web stuff is the only interface between you and us, I'll take
the back seat.
Alain

Eugene,

Thanks for the explanation.

I see exceptions as the most obvious form of bug, as they are simply not
supposed to happen (or at least not see the light of day, but get caught
and handled internally).

That's why it seems odd that they are not treated like other bugs. The
differentiation between bugs and feature requests is very clear most of
the time, so I think exceptions should have a life cycle similar to a
bug, most of the time a shorter one, as like you say, they become
obsolete, need immediate handling or further investigation (with the
last case being the closest to a 'normal' bug).

I think that if exceptions are treated similarly to bugs, and possibly
classified differently to allow easy filtering, etc. you would achieve
your goal of differentiating them while still maintaining a single place
for all development issues.

In any case, I can attest myself that I will try to closely match the
process you create, and the simpler it is, the less mistakes I will make :)

Amnon

Eugene Belyaev wrote:

Amnon,

We are still thinking about what to do with exceptions. Usually they
are of two types:
1. things that can be fixed easily just because a developer overlooked
some condition: like boundary values, something can be null, etc. These
can easily be fixed and should just get fixed. Reporting on these does
not make a lot of sense for the users as well. Another thing is that
EAP build exceptions usually either should get fixed immediately or they
become obsolete when the next build gets published because a lot of code
changes all the time.

2. Serious issues that need investigation and often should get
accompanied by a corresponding request that gets planned. So an
exception results in a request with a link to the original exception
stack trace.

After a lot of experience in managing exception traces we do not think
it is correct to treat them as regular requests because they have a
pretty different life cycle as I described above. We are thinking of
having a special system for managing exceptions with an easy ability to
link them to the tracker.

Best regards,

Eugene Belyaev
President, CTO
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com

In article <cuagi5$qob$1@is.intellij.net>,
Alain Ravet <alain.ravet@biz.tiscali.be> wrote:

Eugene

You can subscribe to their RSS feeds to get notifications.

>

Could you please elaborate a little, in the interest of everybody.
I'm clueless. Look at this page:
http://www.jetbrains.net/jira/browse/IDEADEV

No RSS on the page, no indication, nothing. Where, what, for whom. It's
bloated. I'm pissed.
If this web stuff is the only interface between you and us, I'll take
the back seat.

Alain

Alain,

here is what I do

I go to the project I want to watch, I do somekind of search which makes
sense to me, then at the top of the list of search results there is an
xml link. Click on that. Copy the link to rss, and at the end of the
link you have to add:

&os_username=(your user name)&os_password=(your password)

You can create as many rss feeds as you like.

It's retarded but it works.

R

Exceptions expires very soon and have them as regular bugs is not good idea I'm think. For example many of them may be duplicates and so on.
Keep it couple of EAP and then close that's all.

Another way is to use system which will track developer code location and report that he is in class that caused reported exceptions to look at code and try to fix.
(Just a dream)

TIA,
Dmitry

Robert

here is what I do

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>It's retarded but it works.
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Alain

Hello Eugene,

EB> We are still thinking about what to do with exceptions. Usually
EB> they are of two types:

As i know, JIRA can file isues from POP inbox. Users can simple authorized
send email into specibied box,
for example, bugs@jetrains.com. This sending may perform without user interraction
or via user email client.
In second case, you need to ask user keep existing letter template and subject
without global changes.

Thanks!
--
Alexey Efimov, Java Developer
Tops BI
http://www.topsbi.ru

In article <266309632434971194786744@news.jetbrains.com>,
Alexey Efimov <aefimov@zebra.ru> wrote:

Hello Eugene,

EB> We are still thinking about what to do with exceptions. Usually
EB> they are of two types:

As i know, JIRA can file isues from POP inbox. Users can simple authorized
send email into specibied box,
for example, bugs@jetrains.com. This sending may perform without user
interraction

And cause TONS of duplications because people won't think about looking
first.

R

Alain Ravet wrote:

How can I link them to newsgroups (in Thunderbird), or email threads?

You can link the XML url as a feed in thunderbirds RSS reader support.

You may need to add &os_user=USERNAME&os_password=PASSWORD to the URL thou

Mark Derricutt wrote:

You can link the XML url as a feed in thunderbirds RSS reader support.

You may need to add &os_user=USERNAME&os_password=PASSWORD to the URL thou

I tried that, but - please pardon the language - it sucks. For at least two reasons:

- Thunderbird seems to be unable to maintain more than one feed to the same site.
Ok, this is a tool limitation, but still it would annoy the hell outta me to switch
to anything different.

- The items I do get from the feed are always the initial description of an entry.
They do not include any reason or description of the change that caused it to appear
in the feed. Also, additional comments don't get listed at all. I have to click
the link and try to make out the recent change in the JIRA page. This seems to make
it virtually impossible to conveniently follow a discussion if you don't have an email
notification on an issue.

Sure this is no big deal if the new system helps JB to be able to better organize
their work, but the RSS thing can not even remotely replace the current web <-> news
synchronization. At least that's what I experienced. Maybe I'm doing something wrong
though.


Sascha

Sascha Weinreuter wrote:

- Thunderbird seems to be unable to maintain more than one feed to the
same site.
Ok, this is a tool limitation, but still it would annoy the hell outta

I hate to say it by Thunderbirds much toted RSS support SUCKS MONKEY NADS.

It's so brittle and a freaking hack thats shoehorned into the interface
in a most hideously manner.

in the feed. Also, additional comments don't get listed at all. I have
to click
the link and try to make out the recent change in the JIRA page. This
seems to make

Thunderbird can be set to automatically load the full link, or use the
preview description given in the feed. Try changing that setting...

Mark

In article <cubd93$os6$1@is.intellij.net>,
Sascha Weinreuter <sascha.weinreuter@NOSPAM-cit.de> wrote:

Mark Derricutt wrote:

You can link the XML url as a feed in thunderbirds RSS reader support.

You may need to add &os_user=USERNAME&os_password=PASSWORD to the URL thou

I tried that, but - please pardon the language - it sucks. For at least two
reasons:

- Thunderbird seems to be unable to maintain more than one feed to the same
site.
Ok, this is a tool limitation, but still it would annoy the hell outta me to
switch
to anything different.

This is not thunderbird only, this is with all RSS

Hello Robert,

RS> And cause TONS of duplications because people won't think about
RS> looking first.

JIRA must detect duplicates and link issues. I think that if issue already
exists, and user get exception, then his MUST post it, for example to have
notification about resolution it.

Thanks!
--
Alexey Efimov, Java Developer
Tops BI
http://www.topsbi.ru

RSS works quite well with Firefox:

Bookmarks / Manage Bookmarks / File / New Live Bookmark

Then enter the URL you got from from the "XML" link
(mayber append that "&os_user..." stuff)

View / Sidebar / Bookmarks

and the RSS feed will appear in your Bookmarks list...

Robert S. Sfeir wrote:

>>Ok, this is a tool limitation, but still it would annoy the hell outta me to
>>switch
>>to anything different.

This is not thunderbird only, this is with all RSS

The only problems I've seen in this area with most aggregators is the
lack of supporting multiple authentication profiles to the same host.

I have about 4 JIRA feeds regularly updated in my RSS tool...