It is over ...

My boss is not going to upgrade my IDEA 4.5. Never. I feel like a dog looking at red rear signals of the outgoing train. I hate it. And no one will help ...

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You still have the option to buy it yourself. Then you could also use it
outside of your company.

Tom

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Not even 4.5? You can tell him how much we appreciate a manager that
doesn't give his/her employees the tools of their choice :(

Amnon

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Reasons... Another developer (good guy, we are working on the same project) using Eclipse and boss knows about this. He (boss) just said "No". Idiot.

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Of course it is an option. And I really thinking about this. If my wife allow me :)

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Well... Too risky at this moment. More over, usually they're (management) do not care about. Unfortunaly.

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Another developer (good guy, we are working on the same project) using Eclipse

Convince the other guy to use IntelliJ. Than go both to boss.
It always worked for me when the entire team went to boss and asked for
tools.

and boss knows about this. He (boss) just said "No". Idiot.

When I was alone, it worked only in 20% of the cases (so 80% of bosses
are idiots :) )

Ahmed.

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And I really thinking about this. If my wife allow me :)

I was able to convince my wife that it was in our economic interests to purchase IDEA. :)
Do you like electricity in the house?

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Will not work. "another guy" is crazy about "free" tools. No way to convince him. :((

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I think we are in the minority. It seems most developers will go with the
minimum amout require and eclipse is free. I am also the only one in my company
using IDEA(from like 20 developers). I feel I'm very productive too. The
others use vi and Eclipse. I have been dishing out the money for IDEA and
I love jetbrains attitude.

>> Another developer (good guy, we are working on the same project)
>> using Eclipse
>>

Convince the other guy to use IntelliJ. Than go both to boss.
It always worked for me when the entire team went to boss and asked
for
tools.

>> and boss knows about this. He (boss) just said "No". Idiot.
>>

When I was alone, it worked only in 20% of the cases (so 80% of bosses
are idiots :) )

Ahmed.



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Use the same arguments you used for an extra 512Mb RAM/faster processor/graphics card/flat screen.

Tell her you'll work faster and she'll see more of you :)

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Christopher Brown wrote:

Use the same arguments you used for an extra 512Mb RAM/faster processor/graphics card/flat screen.


Next we'll be told he has to use a Pentium 166Mhz with 128mb of RAM.
Under windows 95...

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I have three kids already...

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No, of course, just on principle. And also asking too many (times) is not soundly I belive.

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I'm alone too in my company and I really enjoing of working with IDEA.

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In article <18642363.1122387365485.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>,
Christopher Brown <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote:

Is it his money?!!


I have run into this - if one person on the team says 'I get lots of
mileage out of Eclipse. Why do you want to spend $500 on IDEA.", many
bosses find convincing. The fix is to figure out what issue the boss is
hung up on, then to solve that. If the 'other guy' is more favored,
then this can be really tough.

A divergence: the boss is usually not an idiot, but someone working
under constraints that we do not know. To convince said boss, we have
to figure out what the binding constraint is, and remove it. (I am a
contractor - it is often very important to know those constraints,
because they are often the same ones that affect outsourcing.)

Commonly, they have a fixed budget, and buying IDEA means not buying a
video card, or whatever. Sure, a developer might cost $100k, plus as
much more in benefits, but the boss does not get the $100k if they drop
a developer. Further, their own boss is often even more removed from
the development process, so going up that level for a five hundred
dollar IDE is not going to happen.

Oftentimes, there is a number they can approve without grief, and that
number is very important to know. If it is $300, and you are asking for
$500, you have a tough sell.

I have found that Eclipse evangalism is a good way to go about selling
IDEA - once the group gets hooked on refactoring, then I can argue the
good points of IDEA. If the other developers are using vi, then selling
IDEA is hopeless.

Scott

--
Scott Ellsworth
scott@alodar.nospam.com
Java and database consulting for the life sciences

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Thanks for opinion. Will try to investigate his constraints and make another attempt on next week.

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