Datagrip Table/Field Editor: Seriously... what in the hell were you thinking?

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I just completed a survey as part of my evaluation of Datagrip.   My chief complaint about the software is the new table/field editor.  It is NOT easy or quick to use.  I shouldn't have to type a field name twice to set it as a primary key.  It's a HORRIBLE interface, and that feature alone is pretty much ensuring that I will not be purchasing Datagrip.  This is a shame, because I do like the other features.  But I've found that it takes me a lot longer to get things done with Datagrip than it does with Heidi SQL (my current tool).  It's difficult to beat a free tool that performs better.  The whole reason I was considering leaving Heidi is because of the occasional crash that Heidi is well-known for.  But I feel like I can deal with that over the painfully slow and un-intuitive table/field editor in DG.

Now, I am fully aware of the table/field editor options labeled "(Old UI)" and I do like working with that old UI. It works great and I am struggling to understand why it was "up"graded. As a developer, seeing any feature labeled "Old UI" tells me three things:

1. The company KNOWS the new UI is terrible, but they implemented it anyway, probably for political reasons... some senior developer wanted to flex his or her muscle and show the company just how fragile their ego really is, and got it pushed through.  But, because they don't want to lose customers, they left the old one in anyway while they figure out how to clean up their mess (and not upset the programmer with the fragile ego).

2. It means the old UI will eventually be phased out in a future version.  In my 22+ years of development, I have NEVER seen a legacy feature last too long.  I am afraid that one day I will open DG and the old ui will be gone, and I'll be forced to use the "improved" UI.  I'm not going to gamble my money on that. 

3. This company makes very poor UI decisions; who on EARTH thought it would be a good idea to remove the "Make primary key" checkbox and replace it with forcing the user to click the create button, click "Key", type the field name out AGAIN, and finally check the "Primary" box?  Who approved that? Who thought replacing 1 mouse click and zero keystrokes with 4 mouse clicks and several keystrokes was an improvement? 

This is more than just a step backwards, it's about 10 steps backwards.  And it made it all the way through the QA process and was pushed to the live version? Really?  I can't help but look to the future: What else works great right now that they're planning to take away and make significantly more difficult in the future?  And when they do, will they provide an "Old UI" option? And if so, how long before that is taken away? If I'm buying your software, it means I'm happy with how it works.  That should translate to "Don't take it away" to normal people with brain function.

That alone is what will prevent me from making this purchase.  I refuse to pay money for software that is counterintuitive, slower, and more difficult to use, and live in fear of working features being ripped out and replaced with garbage. I would rather just continue to use the free competitor that occasionally crashes.

I'm not sure I trust you at this point.  I'd need a good deal of assurance from JB that this problem is a one-off, will be immediately rectified, and won't happen again before I even THINK about laying down good money for this. No trust = no money.

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We've released the new version with lots of improvements, please check it out:
https://blog.jetbrains.com/datagrip/2022/08/23/datagrip-2022-2-2-improves-the-modify-object-ui/

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Hello, Brian! Thank you for your detailed feedback, we appreciate your time spending to write all this. 

First, I will comment on general assumptions you made: the desicion to write the completely new UI was made with the involvement of the product manager, team lead, UI designer and  the developer. The old UI had LOTS of problems, and one of the major ones was the inconsistency when speaking about different databases. It was super hard-coded and therefore was very difficult to support. The new UI has a generated nature and hence is much more powerful.

So, yes, of course you are right: one day it will be dropped. But ONLY when all the usability and technical regressions will be addressed. And that's why we left it there: we don't want anybody to be stuck in them. You faced the regression, yes, but there is an old UI to help you. And our job is to make the new one better for everybody. The old one will live until we reach this goal, no matter when it happens.

Your concerns are 100% valid and here is what will be released in one of our minor updates:

1. Ability to create PK from the context menu of the column.
2. Ability to create PK from the column details.

Of course, in both cases the column name will be already in the corresponding field.

So it will be also rather simple, but also more powerful: there will be a possibility to create composite PKs. It was impossible with the checkbox from the old UI. 

I hope to have all this on 2022.2.2. 

Again, thank your for your feedback and helping us getting better. I wish it was a lil bit less aggressive, because we're all humans. 

Max.

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New UI is junk.  Tables now take 3x as long to make and is only likely to get worse.  I used to like using Datagrip for database creation now hate it.  I don't like having to create the table a single column only, then going back and adding primary key and unique states as separately things when the old interface streamlined the process.  Foreign Key creation no longer auto names the key appropriately (nor does primary key creation).  Nearly all UI functions are now useless and over complicated. It is now much much easier to just write it in SQL which defeats the purpose of the tool entirely.

All the problems with old design (on your code side and engineer side are your problems not your users).  We as developers write software for users NOT our product manager, team lead, UI designer and  the developer.  If you lose site of that your product will suffer.  Please evaluate your priorities.

I am fixing the issue by reverting back to 2022.1.5 as this is a better version for the customer.

Thanks

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Thanks for the feedback, Jbuffington!

First and foremost, we admit that the new UI has usability issues. Of course we tested it, but anyway, when you test the product you are aware of, some things can be missed. That's why now we pay much attention to posts like this to cover all use-cases. And that's why the old UI is still there not to make everybody use the new one if they don't like it.

The old UI will be dropped ONLY when the new one will provide zero usability regressions. Our goal is to make it better for everyone including you.

Your points are valid of course, we are going to release the improved version on the closest minor update.

1. The primary key with all the generated names will be possible to create with two clicks from the column editor.

2. The FK will also have the pre-generated name.

The problems with the old UI were not only technical. It lacked lots of functionality and couldn't be customized according to the DB engine. Also, the approach with expandable fields was not convenient for many users. 

We are sorry that your experience was not perfect, but we do hope that the new version will finally be handy for you as well. We are listening to users, we are working on it and we DO care about how it is used in real life.

Thanks!

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Old UI is much more better and efficient to use. New UI is still very confusing and difficult to use.

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Please give us particular examples of what is worse in new UI, that is the only way to improve it.

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