New Settings Layout


Very nice. Compact, clear, elegant, keyboard-friendly, and expressive. Much more sensible to combine applications and project settings on one panel than to combine project settings and configuration. My only question is why the "Options" menu still exists at all. Surely "Path Macros" belongs on the Settings panel, and "Settings" only under the "File" menu.

--Dave

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I think it'd be possible to come up with a standard size that all panels can fit into, after all, that's how it worked previously.

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...and please add an icon for "Configure Project"

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Very nice. Compact, clear, elegant, keyboard-friendly, and expressive.


could be..but as expressed somwhere before ...I HATE it as well..I hate the way it works..

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Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

And the second problem is solved by pressing Shift+<mnemonic>. Agreed, this


I just thought that since you guys always great shortcut I thought that
there had to be one and as you often also choose the rigth it had to be
shift. That was my first try. Great work.

Regards

Anders

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On 12/15/03 11:41 PM, in article brl694$8gh$2@is.intellij.net, "Alain Ravet"
<alain.ravet.list@wanadoo.be> wrote:

Dave Griffith wrote:

>> Very nice. Compact, clear, elegant, keyboard-friendly, and expressive.
>>


I couldn't disagree more : I HATE IT.

All those icons in one panel, it's a pain in the eyes. I HATE IT.

Whenever a new build was published, I used to browse through all the
settings in a minute.
It was easy : click on the top icon, the $

to change panel.

Now, it's mouse, keyboard, each panel has a different size, etc .. I
HATE IT.
I'd agree to pay more for my license, if they remore this sore.

Alain

PS: I HATE IT.


I'm not sure what you're talking about. Down key NEVER worked there...
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Maxim Shafirov
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On 12/16/03 12:19 AM, in article brl8hg$joi$1@is.intellij.net, "Alain Ravet"
<alain.ravet.list@wanadoo.be> wrote:

Well Alain, try to calm down your emotions and lets see the facts.

- harder to read (locate icon x : ? on what line ?? on what column ??)
it used to be : start on row 1, and go down, till you find it.

Can't agree. In the previous variant you even won't be able to see all
available options at the same time since the good half of them are in
invisible area of the scrollbar.

- harder to use : try visit all the panels, to locate an option for
which you are not sure of the location.

Click-Esc, Click-Esc. Arrow keys navigation is coming soon also.

it used to be :
-click on the 1st icon, and read the panel on the right.
- press to change panels
repeat till you're done.

Wrong. As I've already mentioned keyboard navigation never worked there.

Now, you click on a icon, it opens a dialog of a different size, you
read it,
you must close it,
find the next icon, click it,
etc...

So what's wrong here?

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Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


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On 12/16/03 12:59 AM, in article brlav7$3kc$1@is.intellij.net, "Dmitry
Skavish (JetBrains)" <skavish@intellij.com> wrote:

Alain Ravet wrote:

>> Dave Griffith wrote:
>>> Very nice. Compact, clear, elegant, keyboard-friendly, and expressive.
>> I couldn't disagree more : I HATE IT.


Absolutely agree! At first I liked it's look. To my taste it looks rather
better
than the old one. But it's much less convenient to use than the old layout and
in fact quite annoying!


Could you please be more specific? What annoys you?

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Maxim Shafirov
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"Develop with pleasure!"


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Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

>>- harder to read (locate icon x : ? on what line ?? on what column ??)
>> it used to be : start on row 1, and go down, till you find it.
>>
>>
>Can't agree. In the previous variant you even won't be able to see all
>available options at the same time since the good half of them are in
>invisible area of the scrollbar.
>

>


There was a much simpler, much more elegant and already known way to
solve this.
It was suggested 3 months ago :
http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=4565#595163)
Here it is :

(see attached illustration)

>> it used to be :
>> -click on the 1st icon, and read the panel on the right.
>> - press to change panels
>> repeat till you're done.
>>
>>
>Wrong. As I've already mentioned keyboard navigation never worked there.
>

>

My mistake, but I wasn't very far :
as I have a laptop, selecting the icon on the next row takes just
- a little down-brushing of the touchpad
- a little tap, to click.


>>- harder to use : try visit all the panels, to locate an option for
>>which you are not sure of the location.
>>
>>
>Click-Esc, Click-Esc. Arrow keys navigation is coming soon also.
>

>

See the comment above : we didn't have to close anything. A little tap
on the touchpad was all it used to take.

>>Now, you click on a icon, it opens a dialog of a different size, you
>>read it,
>> you must close it,
>> find the next icon, click it,
>> etc...
>>
>>
>So what's wrong here?

>

What can I say : it's harder, it's less confortable, it's less
efficient. It's a sore in the eyes.
A quick question : in the file explorer, what mode do you choose :
"list", or "icons"?

When I posted my first "I HATE IT" mail, it was as a reaction all to the
"Great. It's better" comments. To me, it was a big move backward, and a
major blooper. I was scared that nobody was complaining, so I felt I had
a mission, and I accepted it.
Since then, a small crowd has appeared, that share my point of view. You
should listen to their voice.

Sometimes, it's a matter of taste.
Here, it's a matter of efficiency, and comfort.
Both are related, btw. But you already know that.


Alain



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>> it used to be :
>> -click on the 1st icon, and read the panel on the right.
>> - press to change panels
>> repeat till you're done.


Wrong. As I've already mentioned keyboard navigation never worked there.


Why you did not implement it instead of - hmm - doing it completely
differently?

Tom

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Alain Ravet wrote:

There was a much simpler, much more elegant and already known way to
solve this.
It was suggested 3 months ago :
http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=4565#595163)
Here it is :

(see attached illustration)


Now this looks very nice. I would much prefer this to the new control panel
style settings dialog. It keeps all of the convenience of the old dialog,
while still making all of the icons visible. Great suggestion!

>>Click-Esc, Click-Esc. Arrow keys navigation is coming soon also.


See the comment above : we didn't have to close anything. A little tap
on the touchpad was all it used to take.


One handed navigation is important to me. I like to drink a cup of coffee
while I adjust my settings! :)

Vil.
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I hate to agree with Alain (again! ;) but I find the new way also very confusing.
The old way with keyboard navigation fixed, small or no icons in the list to limit the scrollbar and with speed search will be more efficient IMHO. Obviously it won't be as graphic I agree but it is a preference dialog anyway. Everybody will spend less than 1% of their time in it (I hope that you are not spending too much time on this. There are more important bugs to fix IMHO).

An advantage for the non-icon solution is that most plugin developers won't have the skill to develop a good icon that matches the scheme you will come up (I know I don't). As people install more useful plugins there will be more unprofessional icons in the panel. It will turn ugly AND less efficient (unless of course your graphic designers could create icons for plugins for free ;)

As far as improving the new way, right now there are too many colors in every icons. There isn't any patterns that allow the eye to catch logical groups and narrow down the list (sub grouping could help too here to shorten each list).
In addition like Alain said too many colors made this panel an eye sore. If you look at the OSX example that was posted earlier you will see how pleasing their icons are. This is definitively not an eye sore.

Jacques

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