Is EAP over?

Howdy,

I've used IDEA for several years now, but when I switched companies, I didn't have a license anymore. Sadly, I've been using the EAP program to keep developing in IDEA until I could convince my new company to get me a license. However, I can't get into IDEA, as of this morning... and I read that the Aurora program isn't active now that 4.0 is out.

So... my question is... Am I out of luck? Is there no more Aurora or eval process? Do I have to go back to JBuilder?

Help!
Curtiss.

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Curtiss Murphy wrote:

Howdy,

I've used IDEA for several years now, but when I switched companies, I
didn't have a license anymore. Sadly, I've been using the EAP program to
keep developing in IDEA until I could convince my new company to get me a
license. However, I can't get into IDEA, as of this morning... and I
read that the Aurora program isn't active now that 4.0 is out.

So... my question is... Am I out of luck? Is there no more Aurora or
eval process? Do I have to go back to JBuilder?


Basically, yes.
Developers working on IDEA need to get their bread from somewhere. There is
no such thing as a free lunch - so there is no such thing as a free IDEA.

Friendly,
Dmitry
--
Dmitry Lomov
Software Developer
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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Curtiss Murphy wrote:

Howdy,

I've used IDEA for several years now, but when I switched companies, I didn't have a license anymore. Sadly, I've been using the EAP program to keep developing in IDEA until I could convince my new company to get me a license. However, I can't get into IDEA, as of this morning... and I read that the Aurora program isn't active now that 4.0 is out.

So... my question is... Am I out of luck? Is there no more Aurora or eval process? Do I have to go back to JBuilder?

Help!


Hard to believe Corporate would not spend $299.00 on a license, and is
OK with spending $3000.00 for JBuilder upgrades.

R

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Well, keep in mind that it is not always about cost. Sometimes, it's about a standard IDE or cost sunk.

I joined a development team that had already purchased Together J for each developer. Just try and convince management to buy another IDE after dropping that cash. Well, I eventually did, but not for awhile...so I just bought my own license in the interim. It was a small price to pay to "develop with pleasure" :) JetBrains rocks for making the personal license affordable and usable for commercial purposes. I actually had 4 or 5 other developers follow my lead. It built such enthusiasm for the product that we now own dozens of corporate IJ licenses.

cheers,
Steve

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Oh yes, btw...my real message...buy a personal license! :)

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What is a 'personal' version? I don't see that on their my page... I'm sure I'm just missing it...

And, yes, it's not so much about cost as it is about 'cost sunk'. The company has already spent $4k per seat in JBuilder, they will tell me to make it work.

Curtiss.

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Sadly, the "Personal" license has historically only been available for about
30 days beginning in late December of each year.

I really wish that they would make it available all year long!

Tim

"Curtiss Murphy" <curtiss.murphy@netdecisions.com> wrote in message
news:309188.1077038559384.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

What is a 'personal' version? I don't see that on their my page... I'm

sure I'm just missing it...
>

And, yes, it's not so much about cost as it is about 'cost sunk'. The

company has already spent $4k per seat in JBuilder, they will tell me to
make it work.
>

Curtiss.



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Dang. Sorry. Perhaps the IntelliJ Gods on the board will take pity and offer you a secret link to a hidden product ID on their site. Also, they may offer another special soon. I believe that they had an Easter special either last year or during the previous year.

cheers,
Steve

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&gt; Basically, yes.
&gt; Developers working on IDEA need to get their bread
&gt; from somewhere. There is
&gt; no such thing as a free lunch - so there is no such
&gt; thing as a free IDEA.
&gt;

So what your are saying is that the average JetBrains developer can't buy lunch until the EAP is over? I always knew it is pretty strange to work in Russia. But hey, not paying your employees is something which doesn't work elsewhere;)

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Jens Schumann wrote:

&gt; Basically, yes.
&gt; Developers working on IDEA need to get their bread
&gt; from somewhere. There is
&gt; no such thing as a free lunch - so there is no such
&gt; thing as a free IDEA.
&gt;

So what your are saying is that the average JetBrains developer can't buy lunch until the EAP is over? I always knew it is pretty strange to work in Russia. But hey, not paying your employees is something which doesn't work elsewhere;)

hehe... no wonder they work so fast :)

I should try it here at the office... but then I'd get slapped with some
form of breaking the us constitution or something...

R

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>And, yes, it's not so much about cost as it is about
>'cost sunk'. The company has already spent $4k per
>seat in JBuilder, they will tell me to make it work.

Well, OK, but JetBrains aren't going to keep giving you a perpetual free license because your company already spent their budget on a competitor's product are they.

I was lucky and got a personal license for $149 (I think it was that much, I can't exactly remember) during one of the Easter promotions. It was the best money I ever spent and has easily paid itself back in productivity.

You could try mailing sales@intellij.com and asking if the personal license is still available - I think there were some other threads on here about that aready so you could also try searching the forum for your answer.

I sympathise with you to some extent because $499 would be far too much for me if I were buying a new personal license. It would be nice, for us , if they'd offer personal licenses at a discount to individuals all year around.

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Yeah, IDEA is an amazing product and I'd be willing to fork out $150 for a personal license to keep using it, but doubt I would fork over $500 for something work releated...

I'll ask sales about it. Jetbrains is an awesome company and email response has always been top notch, so there is some reason to hope :).

Curtiss.

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Robert,

by the frequence of your postings I assumed you get payed by German taxmoney;)

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Jens Schumann wrote:

Robert,

by the frequence of your postings I assumed you get payed by German taxmoney;)


humm... not sure what that means :)

R

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Jens Schumann wrote:

Robert,

by the frequence of your postings I assumed you get

payed by German taxmoney;)

humm... not sure what that means :)


Well, nothing of course;)



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Jens Schumann wrote:
>>Jens Schumann wrote:
>>
>>>Robert,
>>>
>>>by the frequence of your postings I assumed you get
>>
>>payed by German taxmoney;)
>>
>>humm... not sure what that means :)


Well, nothing of course;)


Oh well in that case, donut taxmoney is better :)

R

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In article <c0tg7n$da6$1@is.intellij.net>,
"Robert S. Sfeir" <robert@codepuccino.com> wrote:

Curtiss Murphy wrote:

Howdy,

I've used IDEA for several years now, but when I switched companies, I
didn't have a license anymore. Sadly, I've been using the EAP program to
keep developing in IDEA until I could convince my new company to get me a
license. However, I can't get into IDEA, as of this morning... and I read
that the Aurora program isn't active now that 4.0 is out.

So... my question is... Am I out of luck? Is there no more Aurora or
eval process? Do I have to go back to JBuilder?

Help!


Hard to believe Corporate would not spend $299.00 on a license, and is
OK with spending $3000.00 for JBuilder upgrades.


I have actually seen this happen at several clients.

The usual cause is a fairly high level program manager who is sold on
JBuilder, and who thus authorizes the expense. This allows lower level
managers to buy JBuilder, normally out of their discretionary budget,
without needing to ask for spending authority, while a different IDE
such as IDEA is more than they can afford.

I just got a client to start experimenting with Eclipse, as it is a fair
jump up over the version of JBuilder they were using. I suspect that
once they get a good taste of solid refactoring, IDEA demos might work
better.

For what it is worth, I bought my copy of IDEA with my own money, as I
was getting tired of a few Eclipse foibles.

Scott

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I think I messed up things.

I always thought you were from Hamburg, Germany. Never mind ...

Jens
PS: The only IT people in Germany I know with plenty of free time are paid by tax money ...;)

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I pay for IDEA out-of-pocket too. That way, I get to keep it when/if I move on.

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Jens Schumann wrote:

I think I messed up things.

I always thought you were from Hamburg, Germany. Never mind ...


Nope, Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA... for now :)


Jens
PS: The only IT people in Germany I know with plenty of free time are paid by tax money ...;)

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Meinst' Toll Haus ähm, Toll Collect?

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He he! But this only works for some time. Seems like they are out of business now.

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Jens Schumann wrote:

&gt; Basically, yes.
&gt; Developers working on IDEA need to get their bread
&gt; from somewhere. There is
&gt; no such thing as a free lunch - so there is no such
&gt; thing as a free IDEA.
&gt;

So what your are saying is that the average JetBrains developer can't buy
lunch until the EAP is over? I always knew it is pretty strange to work in
Russia. But hey, not paying your employees is something which doesn't work
elsewhere;)


Come on - IDEA's not that bad. After EAP is over and we start selling,
developer can buy a yearful of lunches (and a little bit more)!
Hey Robert - how about a yearful of donuts?

:)))))

Cheers,
Dmitry
--
Dmitry Lomov
Software Developer
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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Come on - IDEA's not that bad. After EAP is over and we start selling,
developer can buy a yearful of lunches (and a little bit more)!
Hey Robert - how about a yearful of donuts?

:)))))


hahaha... I don't work for JetBrains though... so I can't buy a year
full of much, only one lousy donut at a time ;)

R

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In article <31796288.1077059197994.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net>,
Zoltan Grose <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote:

I pay for IDEA out-of-pocket too. That way, I get to keep it when/if I move
on.


I read an email on some mailing list or other from a guy who decided
that 1% of his income should be spent on work-related things if his
company refused to buy them.

For example, he printed a lot so he bought a cheap printer to put on his
desk so he wouldn't have to keep getting up and walking across the
building to the printer. He bought software that made him more
productive even though his company wouldn't pay for it.

He said it was a big revelation and that it made him a lot happier at
work.

Presumably, he gets more than that 1% back in pay raises if his managers
notice his increased productivity and decreased whining about not being
able to have the things he wants.

(The trick I guess is to clearly mark things that belong to you...)

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No please, no donuts for Robert... we don't know exactly where he puts
them...

Guillaume


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Guillaume Laforge wrote:

No please, no donuts for Robert... we don't know exactly where he puts
them...


Well according to a previous thread, first I sit on them because they're
cushy... and.... ah... never mind... :)

R

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Guillaume

> No please, no donuts for Robert... we don't know exactly
> where he puts them...

We're you inspired by this fresh news :


" The family of the late country legend Johnny Cash said
" no way" to Florida advertisers planning to pitch
hemorrhoid-relief products
with a commercial featuring the Cash classic
"Ring of Fire."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49523-2004Feb17.html

:)

Alain

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Alain Ravet wrote:

Guillaume

> No please, no donuts for Robert... we don't know exactly
> where he puts them...

We're you inspired by this fresh news :


" The family of the late country legend Johnny Cash said
" no way" to Florida advertisers planning to pitch
hemorrhoid-relief products
with a commercial featuring the Cash classic
"Ring of Fire."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49523-2004Feb17.html


HAHAHAHAH NICE! ROFL.

R

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Alain Ravet wrote:

"Ring of Fire."


LOL!!!!
I'm not sure a donut of fire would relieve any pain...

Guillaume


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Same here, $150 is an awful lot easier to swallow .. I work for myself and every expense hits me personally.

I'll have to keep an eye out for this infamous 'personal' license - but knowing my luck I'll blink and miss it.

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