Poll: Commander usage/popularity

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ to remove it, and possibly trim down the size of Aurora?

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is effectively dead code. Less code = less to debug = higher quality.


Michael.

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I don't use the commander also. I use the project view. The tree view is much better for navigation compared to the commander.

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The tree view is much better for navigation compared to the commander.


It depends on one's taste. Personally I find tree-like views less convenient.

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It depends on the task, too. To move or copy files, I prefer a commander.
To do some things recursively, e.g. Inspect code, Optimize Imports, I
prefer the tree view.

Tom


On Mon, 19 May 2003 16:21:06 +0400, Eugene Zhuravlev <jeka@intellij.com>
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>> The tree view is much better for navigation compared to the commander.
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It depends on one's taste. Personally I find tree-like views less
convenient.

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Best regards,
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"Develop with pleasure!"

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Regardless of usage, Commander should be a plugin. I don't think you get a better example of functionality which is perfect as a plugin.

Those that want it can get it, those that don't can dump it. And it can iterate separately from IDEA, perhaps bringing in more of those features folks are asking for in this discussion. Maybe even open source it.

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Yet again, I haven't heard any major reason for commander to drop its
functionality or change its status inside IDEA project. Period.

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Maxim Shafirov
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"Vince Marco" <vmarco@mac.com> wrote in message
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Regardless of usage, Commander should be a plugin. I don't think you get

a better example of functionality which is perfect as a plugin.
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Those that want it can get it, those that don't can dump it. And it can

iterate separately from IDEA, perhaps bringing in more of those features
folks are asking for in this discussion. Maybe even open source it.


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Hi Jon,

Thanks for the suggestion to try the WorkSpaces plugin. I gave it a try but it just don't do what I want it to do. Basically, I at least need the WorkSpace panel to show me what files are part of each WorkSpace. For example, a WorkSpace may contain 15 files. I am only working on three of those files. I should not have to open all 15 files (which this plug-in does). Sure, I can close the other 12, but what if I later need to edit a file in these 12? How do I quickly bring it back up without having to reopen all 15 files again?

I hope I am not missing something. For a good implemention, check out any Windows text editor (UltraEdit32 or TextPad).

Thanks again,
Ben

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Ben,

As you've discovered, the workspaces plugin probably won't help much if you have 15 files in a single workspace. I wrote it to help manage small sets of files, and typically haven't found it useful for groups of more than 5 files or so.

I've added your post as a feature request to the WorkspacePlugin page (http://www.intellij.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkspacesPlugin).

chris

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Also I used Commander for some specific move operations for many times. So I prefer it to stay if it doesn't cause to a problem.

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I have submitted a feature request for a Favorites/Workspace panel. Go vote if you are for it!! Feature #12431.

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Maxim, it depends on your definition of "major reason". This thread is long
enough for Intellij to get a feel for how people view/value Commander. It
is safe to say that...

1. a lot of people dont use it and/or understand the value it provides
2. it is a good candidate for a plug-in
3. this is a sensitive subject -- every sincere attempt at providing
feedback revolving around Commander is met with resistance/denial


Vladimir said it best....

"IMO if the feature is not understandable by 99% of our users then such
feature should be removed or totally reworked.

regards,
Vladimir Kondratyev
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JetBrains"




I suspect Commander will remain the way it is by decree. Please understand
that we are just trying to give JetBrains feedback. How JetBrains responds
to that feedback is an internal matter. To say that you haven't heard any
major reason for Commander to be dropped or have its status changed
(presumably to a plug-in) is to ignore what people have said above in this
thread. The message doesn't get any clearer.



"Maxim Shafirov" <max@intellij.net> wrote in message
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Yet again, I haven't heard any major reason for commander to drop its
functionality or change its status inside IDEA project. Period.

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Best regards,
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains, Inc / IntelliJ Software
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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"Vince Marco" <vmarco@mac.com> wrote in message
news:14685232.1053352940216.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

Regardless of usage, Commander should be a plugin. I don't think you

get

a better example of functionality which is perfect as a plugin.
>

Those that want it can get it, those that don't can dump it. And it can

iterate separately from IDEA, perhaps bringing in more of those features
folks are asking for in this discussion. Maybe even open source it.

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Michael Morett <michaelmorett@yahoo.com> wrote:

I suspect Commander will remain the way it is by decree. Please understand
that we are just trying to give JetBrains feedback.


I managed to hold myself back on this issue until now...

Why not just use the following compromise: There is no urgent need to
remove the commander or to change it to a plugin. Why not just keep it
on the list of ideas what can be changed in the future and use resources
nor for the other major issues. Generics, AspectJ and GUI builder sound
like enough work to keep you folks busy for some time. IMHO there is no
point in loosing focus. Focus should be: get the product ready to ship
to earn money. The majority of users wants to have a working product
(they do not see the EAP). The more features are added the more time
goes by for those people without any noticable progress.

Dirk Dittert
(who has his philosophic day today...)

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It'd be nice to be able to unload Commander

completely.

I still can't get the point of this discussion. Why
do you want to unload
it? To free 50K of memory?


As for this particular case, I don't really care of extra 50k. If the Commander could be simply hidden, I'd already be happy.

But my major point is that IDEA needs to be more modular. If a piece of functionality can be made pluggable it generally should be made pluggable. This becomes more and more important, because a great amount of new features is integrated into IDEA with each major release. I can hardly imagine a developer, who uses all the available features on a daily basis. Modularization + Plugin Manager would be an ideal solution.

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