IMPORTANT: Tracker cleanup

Cool, and I hope that the next rev would allow only one vote per person per
issue so that 5 developers can't push an issue up to 500 votes and skew the
results.

R


On 11/23/04 10:04 AM, in article cnvjkf$dfn$1@is.intellij.net, "Maxim
Shafirov (JetBrains)" <max@jetbrains.com> wrote:

As it have been previously discussed we're trying to get rid of tracker
noise and migrate to another issue control system (JIRA).

This is how the process will go on:
1. There's two weeks starting now EAPers are encouraged to place their
votes against tracker issues they feel important or making sense.

2. It would be great if issues that aren't any longer have any sense
will loose their votes.

3. As two weeks are over (Dec, 7th) the current issue tracher at
http://www.intellij.net/tracker/IDEA will go into read-only mode and all
issues that have non-zero votes against them will be ported to new issue
tracker.

4. Some additional manual processing of the issues to be ported will
take place to ensure there's no duplicates and requests are formulated
clearly.


Thanks for understanding and hope for a cooperation.

Hello Maxim,

MS> As it have been previously discussed we're trying to get rid of
MS> tracker noise and migrate to another issue control system (JIRA).

Great! :)
This is mean that i must move my SCR from IDEA tracker into new JIRA for
IDEA?

Thanks!
--
Alexey Efimov, Java Developer
Tops BI
http://www.topsbi.ru

Cool, and I hope that the next rev would allow only one vote per person per
issue so that 5 developers can't push an issue up to 500 votes and skew the
results.

IIRC, that's how JIRA handles votes.

Tom

Alexey Efimov wrote:

Hello Maxim,

MS> As it have been previously discussed we're trying to get rid of
MS> tracker noise and migrate to another issue control system (JIRA).

Great! :)
This is mean that i must move my SCR from IDEA tracker into new JIRA for
IDEA?

Thanks!
--
Alexey Efimov, Java Developer
Tops BI
http://www.topsbi.ru

No, we'll do it ourselves. You just need to vote for important issues in
the current tracker within next two weeks.

--
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Maxim

.. we're trying to .. migrate to another issue control system (JIRA).

>

Currently, (your) JIRA doesn't allow for text formatting. It hampers
communication.
Can this be "fixed"?

Alain

What about SCRs of type 'Exception'? Even though most of my still open
ones never occurred again, I can't know for sure if they are worth to be
taken over. Should I just put a single vote on them or are they handled
differently?

Sascha


Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

As it have been previously discussed we're trying to get rid of tracker
noise and migrate to another issue control system (JIRA).

This is how the process will go on:
1. There's two weeks starting now EAPers are encouraged to place their
votes against tracker issues they feel important or making sense.

2. It would be great if issues that aren't any longer have any sense
will loose their votes.

3. As two weeks are over (Dec, 7th) the current issue tracher at
http://www.intellij.net/tracker/IDEA will go into read-only mode and all
issues that have non-zero votes against them will be ported to new issue
tracker.

4. Some additional manual processing of the issues to be ported will
take place to ensure there's no duplicates and requests are formulated
clearly.


Thanks for understanding and hope for a cooperation.

+1, especially for code-markup

I would be very strange if I had to go vote on exceptions, I think
exceptions just get moved, don't they?

R


On 11/23/04 12:38 PM, in article cnvshc$hck$1@is.intellij.net, "Thomas
Singer (MoTJ)" <nomail@nodomain.com> wrote:

+1, especially for code-markup

Alain Ravet wrote:

Currently, (your) JIRA doesn't allow for text formatting. It hampers
communication.

Well, it isn't OUR JIRA, right?

Can this be "fixed"?

Vote for http://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRA-1585
That's probably the best we all can do.

--
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Maxim,

What about "Open" issues, with zero votes? Will they automatically be
transferred?
I'm asking because I've posted so many issues over the last 2 years, I'm
running out of votes.

Alain

Sascha Weinreuter wrote:

What about SCRs of type 'Exception'? Even though most of my still open
ones never occurred again, I can't know for sure if they are worth to be
taken over. Should I just put a single vote on them or are they handled
differently?

I do not think exceptions worth moving there. As the matter of fact
those still valid certainly will happen again thus appear in JIRA thanks
to our patient EAPers. :)


--
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Alain Ravet wrote:

Maxim,

What about "Open" issues, with zero votes? Will they automatically be
transferred?
I'm asking because I've posted so many issues over the last 2 years, I'm
running out of votes.

Alain

Anybody else feels he/she needs more votes? Otherwise we could just add
some to Alain :)

--
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Alain, I already put some votes on some of your issues :)

Tom

I have 221 open issues, I would need more votes as well to cover them.

-Keith

Alain Ravet wrote:

>> Maxim,
>>
>> What about "Open" issues, with zero votes? Will they automatically be
>> transferred?
>> I'm asking because I've posted so many issues over the last 2 years,
>> I'm
>> running out of votes.
>> Alain
>>

Anybody else feels he/she needs more votes? Otherwise we could just
add some to Alain :)

Maxim

>

Anybody else feels he/she needs more votes? Otherwise ..

Does that mean
"No. Currently opened features with no votes could be/will not
NOT transferred to Jira"?


Alain

Alain Ravet wrote:

Maxim

>>
>> Anybody else feels he/she needs more votes? Otherwise ..

Does that mean
"No. Currently opened features with no votes could be/will not NOT
transferred to Jira"?


Alain

Yes, that's right.

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Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Quick stat for the moment: Right away we have 2280 requests to be
transferred according to the rules above.

--
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

I don't know exactly what the rules are, but you should be sure to look at issues marked Do Not Fix or Need Information which have votes. I've seen a few of these which are still valid, but were never re-opened after clarification.

-Keith

Quick stat for the moment: Right away we have 2280 requests to be
transferred according to the rules above.

Keith Lea wrote:

I don't know exactly what the rules are, but you should be sure to look at issues marked Do Not Fix or Need Information which have votes. I've seen a few of these which are still valid, but were never re-opened after clarification.

-Keith

>>Quick stat for the moment: Right away we have 2280 requests to be
>>transferred according to the rules above.
>>

I just run the search "number of voters > 0". So this includes requests
of any state.

--
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Alain Ravet wrote:

Currently, (your) JIRA doesn't allow for text formatting. It hampers
communication.
Can this be "fixed"?

I've been asking for Wiki like syntax for ages on the Jira lists.
Hopefully one day. Of course, we could just hack the install to use say
HTMLArea as the comment/entry dialogs, that'd give nice HTML entry foo...

Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

Anybody else feels he/she needs more votes? Otherwise we could just
add some to Alain :)

>

Please do: 1 hour of cleaning and I'm already broke.

Alain

I'd like to vote for http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=27671 but it's marked obselete and so can't!

Hani Suleiman wrote:

I'd like to vote for http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=27671 but it's marked obselete and so can't!

Open

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"Develop with pleasure!"

Alain Ravet wrote:

Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

>> Anybody else feels he/she needs more votes? Otherwise we could just
>> add some to Alain :)
>>

Please do: 1 hour of cleaning and I'm already broke.

Alain

Tibor (the ITN guy) asked for. Hope this wouldn't take a long.

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Maxim Shafirov
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"Develop with pleasure!"

What about bugs and feature requests that JetBrains put Normal, High or
Very High priority but have no votes?

I guess I can spread a little votes on my open bugs and feature requests
but it seems strange that issues such as
http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=35247, after
acknowledged as a bug and marked as Very High by JetBrains will get
deleted because of no votes...

If you'll tell me that the 0 vote rule is a strict one I'll put some
votes on these issues.

Thanks,
Amnon

Amnon I. Govrin wrote:

What about bugs and feature requests that JetBrains put Normal, High or
Very High priority but have no votes?

I guess I can spread a little votes on my open bugs and feature requests
but it seems strange that issues such as
http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=35247, after
acknowledged as a bug and marked as Very High by JetBrains will get
deleted because of no votes...

If you'll tell me that the 0 vote rule is a strict one I'll put some
votes on these issues.

Thanks,
Amnon

This particular issue is planned for Irida. Thus we'll migrate one for
sure. Otherwise the "zero" rule is strict.

--
Maxim Shafirov
JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

So it seems there is a slight modification on the rule
1- if issue has at least one vote
AND
2- if the issue is marked for Irida, then it's going to move anyway.

R


On 11/24/04 10:22 AM, in article co292k$mf9$1@is.intellij.net, "Maxim
Shafirov (JetBrains)" <max@jetbrains.com> wrote:

Amnon I. Govrin wrote:

>> What about bugs and feature requests that JetBrains put Normal, High or
>> Very High priority but have no votes?
>>
>> I guess I can spread a little votes on my open bugs and feature requests
>> but it seems strange that issues such as
>> http://www.intellij.net/tracker/idea/viewSCR?publicId=35247, after
>> acknowledged as a bug and marked as Very High by JetBrains will get
>> deleted because of no votes...
>>
>> If you'll tell me that the 0 vote rule is a strict one I'll put some
>> votes on these issues.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Amnon

This particular issue is planned for Irida. Thus we'll migrate one for
sure. Otherwise the "zero" rule is strict.

You meant OR (either it has at least 1 vote or it is marked for fixing
in Irida).

How about issues that are marked to be fixed in ?, i.e. the unknown future?

Amnon

Thanks, I was wondering why I wasn't getting the right results ;)

R


On 11/24/04 10:33 AM, in article co29lj$rgq$1@is.intellij.net, "Amnon I.
Govrin" <amnon@netvision.net.il> wrote:

You meant OR (either it has at least 1 vote or it is marked for fixing
in Irida).

How about issues that are marked to be fixed in ?, i.e. the unknown future?

Amnon

Alain Ravet wrote:

Maxim Shafirov (JetBrains) wrote:

>> Anybody else feels he/she needs more votes? Otherwise we could just
>> add some to Alain :)
>>

Please do: 1 hour of cleaning and I'm already broke.

Alain

Done. Everyone should found much more votes available.

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JetBrains Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"