Poll: Commander usage/popularity

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ to remove it, and possibly trim down the size of Aurora?

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is effectively dead code. Less code = less to debug = higher quality.


Michael.

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I use Commander all the time. Even though I never use project panel, I do
not ask to remove it.

/kesh

"Michael Morett" <mmorett@ebuilt.com> wrote in message
news:19891206.1053036794611.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ

to remove it, and possibly trim down the size of Aurora?
>

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is

effectively dead code. Less code = less to debug = higher quality.
>
>

Michael.



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I've never figured out how to use it. It was described in this NG a long
time ago, but I never "got" it.

--
Jordan Zimmerman
Altura International
Catalog City


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Never use it, however I probably would if it were somewhat more full-featured. If it showed filesizes, permissions, last modified, and other attributes, I could see it becoming a minor but useful part of my development cycle.

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I've implemented it myself and used for two years, but don't use anymore.
Why? Have no idea, just got used to the tree probably.

--

Eugene Belyaev, CTO
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"



"Michael Morett" <mmorett@ebuilt.com> wrote in message
news:19891206.1053036794611.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ

to remove it, and possibly trim down the size of Aurora?
>

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is

effectively dead code. Less code = less to debug = higher quality.
>
>

Michael.



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You see where I am headed with this, Eugene? You have essentially two different ways to view the code and what may have once been a useful idea, has now given way to a new and improved version (ie. the tree).

Might it be time to consolidate the two?

I'm playing with the Commander in 813 as I write this and I just dont see the utility of it...if anything it's similar to the old school Norton Commander, which is where it probably got it's name.

Other than looking at two directories at the same time, what is this useful for? The tree can handle copying and Refractor has Move and Copy which is probably more useful than a straight copy/move and then revise package names accordingly.




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Yes, we've explained this a lot of times here, a lot of IDEA creators use it
because we are used to and keep using various commanders (FAR, Windows
Commander, Midnight Commander) for the file system and this way of
navigating is what a lot of us like.

--

Eugene Belyaev, CTO
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"



"Michael Morett" <mmorett@ebuilt.com> wrote in message
news:12441807.1053039235321.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

You see where I am headed with this, Eugene? You have essentially two

different ways to view the code and what may have once been a useful idea,
has now given way to a new and improved version (ie. the tree).
>

Might it be time to consolidate the two?

>

I'm playing with the Commander in 813 as I write this and I just dont see

the utility of it...if anything it's similar to the old school Norton
Commander, which is where it probably got it's name.
>

Other than looking at two directories at the same time, what is this

useful for? The tree can handle copying and Refractor has Move and Copy
which is probably more useful than a straight copy/move and then revise
package names accordingly.
>
>
>
>
>


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I use Servant Salamander (http://www.altap.cz/) on windows and mc on linux
most of the time, but I almost never open the commander in IDEA (I tried it
a couple of times to see if I could get used to it, but gave up, the
project tree seemed more "natural" in this case).

Andrei

Michael Morett wrote:

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ
to remove it, and possibly trim down the size of Aurora?

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is
effectively dead code. Less code = less to debug = higher quality.


Michael.



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Last time I've tried it (a half-a-year ago?) it would not allow me to go outside of my
project tree which renders it unusable. I like the idea though. I'm using TotalCommander
for years now. If it only was somewhat similar in terms of features...

"Michael Morett" <mmorett@ebuilt.com> wrote in message news:19891206.1053036794611.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ to remove it, and possibly trim down the

size of Aurora?
>

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is effectively dead code. Less code = less to

debug = higher quality.
>
>

Michael.



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I use Windows Commander and do not need this stripped embedded one. But it
is there and takes memory, key mapping, space on the sidebar. I already
suggested that parts not essential to core IDEA features should be made as
loadable modules. So one can select during or after install what modules to
use. For example, I do not need Commander, I may not need Ant integration
for small projects, I do not need CVS integration, and Starteam integration
too because I use full-blown client, I may not need JUnit integration, and
so on.

I want to be able easily and safely remove all non-essential features,
reducing the memory footprint and screen clutter.

Michael Jouravlev.

"Eugene Belyaev" <beg@intellij.com> wrote in message
news:ba15vi$gaj$1@is.intellij.net...

Yes, we've explained this a lot of times here, a lot of IDEA creators use

it

because we are used to and keep using various commanders (FAR, Windows
Commander, Midnight Commander) for the file system and this way of
navigating is what a lot of us like.

>

--

>

Eugene Belyaev, CTO
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>
>

"Michael Morett" <mmorett@ebuilt.com> wrote in message
news:12441807.1053039235321.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

You see where I am headed with this, Eugene? You have essentially two

different ways to view the code and what may have once been a useful idea,
has now given way to a new and improved version (ie. the tree).
>

Might it be time to consolidate the two?

>

I'm playing with the Commander in 813 as I write this and I just dont

see

the utility of it...if anything it's similar to the old school Norton
Commander, which is where it probably got it's name.
>

Other than looking at two directories at the same time, what is this

useful for? The tree can handle copying and Refractor has Move and Copy
which is probably more useful than a straight copy/move and then revise
package names accordingly.
>
>
>
>
>

>
>


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Nope never use it. I tried it a couple of times, got frustrated, dumpted it.

I asked the same question at the initial 3.0 EAP and got jumped all over. It seems there is a changing of tides.

R

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Never was able to figure out what the heck it was supposed to be doing and eventually gave up. I was able to get to everything I needed to from the project view. I myself recently had been thinking to myself about whether or not it would be cool if that feature could be cleanly 'optioned out' of the IDE so it just wouldn't appear anymore :)

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do not use it. please remove it as the side bar getting crowded


"Michael Morett" <mmorett@ebuilt.com> wrote in message
news:19891206.1053036794611.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ

to remove it, and possibly trim down the size of Aurora?
>

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is

effectively dead code. Less code = less to debug = higher quality.
>
>

Michael.



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I do not use commander. Project tree view is more convenient for
browsing of source tree. Perhaps it could be possible to use commander
as a file manager, but it's not convenient as native manager (mc, FAR)

Best regards,
Vladimir Kondratyev
_____________________
JetBrains

Michael Morett wrote:

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ to remove it, and possibly trim down the size of Aurora?

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is effectively dead code. Less code = less to debug = higher quality.


Michael.


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I always use FAR (advanced Norton Commander clone) and never use IDEA's
Commander.

--
Best regards,
Anton Katilin
-


JetBrains, Inc / IntelliJ Software
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


"Michael Morett" <mmorett@ebuilt.com> wrote in message
news:19891206.1053036794611.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ

to remove it, and possibly trim down the size of Aurora?
>

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is

effectively dead code. Less code = less to debug = higher quality.
>
>

Michael.



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I sometimes use it when I refactor utility classes (ones with all static methods).

I do it like this, open the utility class in the first pane, open the new class in the
second pane and start to move methods and members back and forward between the classes.
This way the destination is auto-filled.

Another typical use is when I'm doing repackaging.

Though this uses would all be solved with a history dropdown in the move refactoring dialog.

-- dimiter

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Never use it either. Do we need to vote on this? ;)

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Yes, I like the commander, because it allows me to simply move classes to
different packages. Not that I do it daily, but if you need it, it's very
handy.

Tom

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I guess, you never used the Norton Commander?

Tom

On Thu, 15 May 2003 15:29:07 -0700, Jordan Zimmerman <jordanz@altura.com>
wrote:

I've never figured out how to use it. It was described in this NG a long
time ago, but I never "got" it.

>


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I use Servant Salamander (http://www.altap.cz/) on windows ...


Same here. Unfortunately they need very long time to release a new
version.

Tom

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Unfortunately the native Commanders do not support the Move refactorings :-
(

Tom

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Yes, I also use Commander only and not the Project View

--

Best regards,
Eugene Zhuravlev
JetBrains, Inc, http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

"kesh" <dummy@bogus.com> wrote in message news:ba13t2$du8$1@is.intellij.net...

I use Commander all the time. Even though I never use project panel, I do
not ask to remove it.

>

/kesh

>

"Michael Morett" <mmorett@ebuilt.com> wrote in message
news:19891206.1053036794611.JavaMail.jrun@is.intellij.net...

Does anyone use the Commander? Would it be useful to suggest to IntelliJ

to remove it, and possibly trim down the size of Aurora?
>

I personally never use it. I just wonder about others.
I'm figuring if it's not heavily used, they can dump it and remove what is

effectively dead code. Less code = less to debug = higher quality.
>
>

Michael.

>
>


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I've never used it. I'd say that it should at least be an option to prevent it from appearing in the sidebar.

Regards, Stefan.

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Yes, I like the commander, because it allows me to simply move classes to
different packages. Not that I do it daily, but if you need it, it's very
handy.


I agree with you, for big move refactoring of classes, it's quite handy.
But it's quite rare that I have to do that.
So I almost never use the commander.

Guillaume Laforge


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I had a short look at it and never used it since.

But I wouldn't remove it as long as there are some people out there that might like it.
Deleting code doesn't improve quality per se.

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The commander seems like it would make a good "official" plugin...

Stefan Freyr Stefansson wrote:

I've never used it. I'd say that it should at least be an option to prevent it from appearing in the sidebar.

Regards, Stefan.


Vil.
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The commander seems like it would make a good "official" plugin...


I guess, this is the best solution.

Tom

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I never used the commander in my developing process...

I tried once, but because things weren't as straight-forward as I was expecting, I just gave up and went back to my good old OS File Explorer. (Either Windows or Linux)

In fact, when I want to alter my source tree I (mainly) just use the refactoring features from the project tree. The only times I need to open a file explorer is when I want to Cut/Paste a file to some other directory outside of my project tree.

Although some restricted amount of people out there seem to to use the commander panel, I'd say remove it by default and leave the option to install it on demand.

As far as I'm concerned, memory consumption is the critical issue I've encountered using IDEA, the IDE slows down only when the JVM tries to allocate to much memory and my OS swaps, or when the Garbage collector starts.

So if anything that's not really necessary can be removed from IDEA, I'd say go for it.

Dan/

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